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Aircraft destroyed in Afghanistan (USAF E-11A (BACN))

Old 28th Jan 2020, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
SteinarN and triumph - that scorching of the VS could simply be as a result of wind direction on the ground once the airframe was ablaze; the PIC at least trying to land it in to wind and then fire burning over the airframe in the direction of the tail.
I don't think it right that you can make a supposition that the scorching occurred in the air...
Agree Auxtank. In fact if you look at Ukraine Air PS752 which we know had an inflight fire, the VS is not only burned black but the paint is burned off too. In contrast, this incident just shows a light dusting of soot as you have suggested being downwind from the fire.


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Old 28th Jan 2020, 00:17
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
The video at post #31 shows considerable damage to the rear of the number 2 engine.

Not really. It has lost the exhaust nozzle but that would most likely have been from the crash. There is also damage to the inlet on the same engine which again is probably from wing debris during the crash sequence. But neither engine shows any signs of shoulder launched surface to air missile impacts. Compare with the damage to this A-10 Warthog from a known SAM impact.


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Old 28th Jan 2020, 00:19
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 00:32
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Originally Posted by Hawk98 View Post
Pure speculation on my behalf but as you say perhaps the lack of apparent fuel would suggest that the crew jettisoned it prior to the crash landing?
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You might be right Hawk. If they were dumping fuel (if that aircraft had a dump capability) and looking to get on the ground quick that might imply an in-flight cabin fire that got the better of them. Lots of electronics on those aircraft .There was obviously some ATC chatter but I'm guessing a lot of what went on would have been on encrypted freqs. I hope we hear something soon regarding the crew but there may be a lot of OPSEC around releasing too much at this point.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 00:58
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Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon View Post
If they were dumping fuel (if that aircraft had a dump capability) ...
The Global Express does not have a fuel jettison system. I very much doubt that one would be retrofitted to the E-11A.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 01:33
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Well firstly this is a very surprising crash of probably one of the most expensive piece of equipment of the USAF. This will be in the hundreds of million $ write off. Not speaking about the crew as their whereabouts seems fairly uncertain.
Dual engine flameout is pretty unlikely, just as a SAM if we are to believe the limited information available and the picture presented thus far.
Very puzzling
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 02:21
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The Taliban are meanwhile claiming it, with talk of photos of "the aircraft and charred bodies".
https://www.arabnews.com/node/1619011/world
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 02:25
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My 2 cents worth. It had a midair with a smallish drone/UPV and made forced landing.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 10:06
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My 2 cents - from the state of the tail that looks like a survivable crash-land. I would make a guess there are (i hope) survivors and it was they who torched the a/c to destroy tech or info. I hope it will come out that the crew has been recovered.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:16
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Fight to get to the wreck

Reports now that Taliban and Afghan troops in a fight as the latter attempt to approach the site.
Nothing new in a fight but this may mean something to hide.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 11:37
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Having said that - there's no confirmation of casualties as yet so one lives in hope.
One of the original reports I read, but can no longer find said that the a plane came down and that special forces team went in to destroy the sensative equipment and recover the 1 deceased and 1 surviving crew member
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 12:40
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Originally Posted by rattman View Post
One of the original reports I read, but can no longer find said that the a plane came down and that special forces team went in to destroy the sensative equipment and recover the 1 deceased and 1 surviving crew member
Unless it was a ferry flight the crew is 5.
There is actually very little that makes sense in the reporting so far. All we know is one of those very high tech birds went down... That's pretty much the whole extent of it!
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 13:57
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ws-claims.html
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 14:22
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I wonder if these aircraft and others of their ilk are fitted with destruction charges to protect their equipment in the event of forced landing in hostile territory.
I hope the answer doesn’t comprise OPSEC. I will fully understand if no one wishes to respond. Thanks for your time and trouble.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 14:31
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Unless it was a ferry flight the crew is 5.
Where do you get that? Genuine question - cant find any information on the USAF website.

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Old 28th Jan 2020, 16:00
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Originally Posted by rattman View Post
One of the original reports I read, but can no longer find said that the a plane came down and that special forces team went in to destroy the sensative equipment and recover the 1 deceased and 1 surviving crew member
There is an article on that right now on reuters.com (sorry, can't post a link):"Ghazni provincial police chief, Khalid Wardak, told Reuters that two bodies were airlifted by U.S. forces from the crash site on Tuesday."
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 16:02
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Latest report is two Dead, bodies recovered, no indication of hostile action on the ground or as a cause of the downing.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 16:23
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That Reuters piece is a bit more nuanced than that, I think, theoradical

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-af...-idUKKBN1ZR0OW

Ghazni provincial police chief, Khalid Wardak, told Reuters that two bodies were airlifted by U.S. forces from the crash site on Tuesday.

Zabiullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman, said Afghan forces backed by U.S. military support had tried to capture the area around the crashed aircraft and clashed with fighters of the Islamist militant group.

The attempt was repelled, he told Reuters, but the Taliban would allow a rescue team access to recover bodies from the crash site.

“Taliban fighters on the ground counted six bodies at the site of the U.S. airplane crash,” he said, adding that while there could have been more, the militant group could not be certain, as fire had reduced everything to ashes.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, U.S. officials said the plane was carrying fewer than five people when it crashed, with one official saying initial information showed there were at least two.
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Old 28th Jan 2020, 19:49
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https://www.airforcemag.com/remains-...om-e-11-crash/

Crew Remains Recovered From E-11A Crash

Remains of the two crew members aboard the E-11A Battlefield Airborne Communications Node aircraft that crashed this week in Afghanistan were recovered Jan. 28, a US defense official confirmed.

At first, Afghan special forces couldn’t reach the site of the crash—a snowy field in Ghazni Province north of the aircraft’s operating base of Kandahar Airfield. The site is in a Taliban-controlled area, and helicopters were unable to land shortly after the crash because insurgents were nearby, The Washington Post reported.

US Forces-Afghanistan said in a statement following the crash there were no indications that hostile fire downed the manned plane.

A US defense official confirmed to Air Force Magazine that two people were onboard the aircraft when it crashed, despite earlier reports that the E-11 was carrying more.

“The remains were found near the crash site, treated with dignity and respect by the local Afghan community, in accordance with their culture,” US Forces-Afghanistan said in a statement.

US forces also recovered the aircraft’s flight data recorder, then destroyed the rest of the aircraft, according to the statement. The E-11A is outfitted with a payload of sensitive equipment, the defense official said.

The Defense Department will release the names and service details of those who were killed in the crash once their families are informed..........
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Old 29th Jan 2020, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
Where do you get that? Genuine question - can't find any information on the USAF website.
Good question. I remember reading that at some point but I can't find any reference
That being said it seems there were indeed two on this specific flight. My understanding is that there are usually also operators for the massive BACN payload but as it seems that they are now shifting these tasks to UAVs (Global Hawks) I guess the human presence is not anymore a requirement.

In any case, I think that there is a lot we don't know behind this accident (if it was one). I find it notable that "US forces also recovered the aircraft’s flight data recorder, then destroyed the rest of the aircraft" despite not being able to reach the site crash (I understand they eventually did, but it took time).

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