F-35s to Red Flag
BV,
How did you earn your Brevet (is that the proper British Term) to hold forth as you did?
I have bashed Beags in the past....a few times he actually deserved it.
But....Beags has walked the walk and as American Cowboys will tell you....it ain't bragging if you done it.
I tip my hat to those that have in the past and those who do currently.
The day I pinned those Wings on my Chest....I became a Military Aviator......and that is a something that shall never change.
We should all remember that as it applies to all us who did that even it yours was sewn on and not pinned on.....in reality they could have been tattooed upon your breast and it would have been the same.
How did you earn your Brevet (is that the proper British Term) to hold forth as you did?
I have bashed Beags in the past....a few times he actually deserved it.
But....Beags has walked the walk and as American Cowboys will tell you....it ain't bragging if you done it.
I tip my hat to those that have in the past and those who do currently.
The day I pinned those Wings on my Chest....I became a Military Aviator......and that is a something that shall never change.
We should all remember that as it applies to all us who did that even it yours was sewn on and not pinned on.....in reality they could have been tattooed upon your breast and it would have been the same.
SAS
That whole thing was a bit cryptic for me I’m afraid.
As I said, BEagle asked the question of where all the current aviators were and I gave an answer. I also said he may not like the answer I gave.
I also made pains to point out that I have total respect for the aviators of the past but that sometimes reminiscence doesn’t help with answering a question. There is a time and a place. Admittedly, I don’t think any of us should have expected an actual answer to the question posed in this thread.
My later points were meant to illustrate the modern issues of OPSEC and commercial sensitivities. Does anybody ever wonder why we don’t have current Typhoon and F35 pilots running their mouths off on here? I’m a REMF, hence I can post a little more freely.
I have locked horns with Beags in the past and my point has always been that nobody is above criticism. That includes me and I accept that willingly.
I think you were questioning my credentials. I’ve probably banged on enough about it in the past. I have 20 years flying jets (Jag and Hawk) and am still doing it on a daily basis.
I am well aware of your experience and admire it greatly, but it doesn’t mean we have to agree about everything.
BV
As I said, BEagle asked the question of where all the current aviators were and I gave an answer. I also said he may not like the answer I gave.
I also made pains to point out that I have total respect for the aviators of the past but that sometimes reminiscence doesn’t help with answering a question. There is a time and a place. Admittedly, I don’t think any of us should have expected an actual answer to the question posed in this thread.
My later points were meant to illustrate the modern issues of OPSEC and commercial sensitivities. Does anybody ever wonder why we don’t have current Typhoon and F35 pilots running their mouths off on here? I’m a REMF, hence I can post a little more freely.
I have locked horns with Beags in the past and my point has always been that nobody is above criticism. That includes me and I accept that willingly.
I think you were questioning my credentials. I’ve probably banged on enough about it in the past. I have 20 years flying jets (Jag and Hawk) and am still doing it on a daily basis.
I am well aware of your experience and admire it greatly, but it doesn’t mean we have to agree about everything.
BV
To be fair anyone who posts on here about their current paid employment is.... unwise.........
Given that your own sell by date has long since expired, how is that a valid query, Beags?
You are not, any longer.
So why do you impugn others?
My sell by date expired in 2005.
I am a 'used to be' who still loves that Military Aviation Profession and advocates for it.
Take your wet blanket act and park it on the ramp way out there, where the fire fighters practice their craft on long dead airframes.
You'll be in good company.
You are not, any longer.
So why do you impugn others?
My sell by date expired in 2005.
I am a 'used to be' who still loves that Military Aviation Profession and advocates for it.
Take your wet blanket act and park it on the ramp way out there, where the fire fighters practice their craft on long dead airframes.
You'll be in good company.
Lonewolf. Given that I am quite a bit older than Beagle (I actually taught him at RAF Chivenor in 1982), you probably think I am past my 'sell by date'. Not a bit of it. I still teach aerobatics, tail chasing & formation flying and own my own 'Warbird' So don't really seem ready for pipe & slippers just yet. Moreover, having watched interviews by Douglas Bader and Robin Olds, they too had much to offer despite being even older than myself. Military aviation principles don't change too much.
In the past I've had some great help out of this site from serving people with current knowledge (pensions, JPA, policy, etc...). Would I ask many of those questions today, probably not for the very reasons BV mentions. And nor would (m)any of my serving colleagues.
That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.
Long live the mil history forum.
That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.
Long live the mil history forum.
Indeed you taught me at Chiv, Bluntie - and very well too, I might add!
These days I am merely one of
So my professional interest in AAR trail management was attracted by the news of the trail diversion. So all the F-35B and carrier bashing was an unwelcome distraction.
As SASless might agree "You can take the man out of the fighter, but never the fighter out of the man" as a USAF pilot once said!
By the way,10% Carlos was (and probably still is) a most excellent chap!
These days I am merely one of
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As SASless might agree "You can take the man out of the fighter, but never the fighter out of the man" as a USAF pilot once said!
By the way,10% Carlos was (and probably still is) a most excellent chap!
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Possibly related to the F-35 deployment to Red Flag.
From FlightRadar24:
MRTT RRR9401 out of Charleston (the one in South Carolina, not CRW) has apparently done some refueling and is headed west.
RRR9403 out of Lajes has done the 'forgot his sandwiches' maneuver and is headed eastbound.
From FlightRadar24:
MRTT RRR9401 out of Charleston (the one in South Carolina, not CRW) has apparently done some refueling and is headed west.
RRR9403 out of Lajes has done the 'forgot his sandwiches' maneuver and is headed eastbound.
A few of my mentors flew in Korea, more in Viet Nam.
Clyde Lassen was my CO when I was in my early helicopter training.
What I find really annoying about Beags' whinging is that it is whinging.
Military aviation principles don't change too much.
The post I responded to had bloody fcuk all to do with military aviation principles.
Maybe my point did not come across clearly enough, and really, it doesn't matter.
Better to stay on the topic of the F-35 to Red Flag.
Bob the Viking covered the rest.
Personally, I think it is great the the UK's F-35's are heading to Red Flag to train ... and to do Vegas. Work hard, play hard. That was once part of the Military Aviator's ethos.
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If they staged out of Beaufort it looks to me like that refueling must be for stragglers or somebody that's going home. Nellis is in the other direction. It looks like the second MRTT plane was an airborne spare. Navy Pax River is nearby if they needed gas and the tanker had another problem. But that might not be a good optic for the media back home.
The westbound plane went into Las Vegas (not Nellis) and the eastbound plane is doing an RON at Gander.
The westbound plane went into Las Vegas (not Nellis) and the eastbound plane is doing an RON at Gander.
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Tanker moving a straggler F-35 from Lajes, with a second tanker to keep the F-35 going all the way to Nellis, having already brought the rest out to Beaufort earlier in the week.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
BEagle made a good point about the northern route in winter. One of my last jobs in maritime was to brief the SAROp cover for a Leopard Trail. To give a flavour of the hazard we planned to join the Jaguar crews at Marham for a mass brief. We never made it. We diverted to Waddington and were snowed in.
For the flight across we carried a mix of additional dinghies - for a Victor crew and a Jaguar - and also Containers Land Equipment as there was almost ad much land/ice than sea between Colt and Gander.
For the flight across we carried a mix of additional dinghies - for a Victor crew and a Jaguar - and also Containers Land Equipment as there was almost ad much land/ice than sea between Colt and Gander.
In the past I've had some great help out of this site from serving people with current knowledge (pensions, JPA, policy, etc...). Would I ask many of those questions today, probably not for the very reasons BV mentions. And nor would (m)any of my serving colleagues.
That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.
Long live the mil history forum.
That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.
Long live the mil history forum.
This is a historical forum in the main.
