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F-35s to Red Flag

Old 25th Jan 2020, 09:48
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We shall have to agree to disagree. A public query gets a public response.

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 12:50
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BV,

How did you earn your Brevet (is that the proper British Term) to hold forth as you did?

I have bashed Beags in the past....a few times he actually deserved it.

But....Beags has walked the walk and as American Cowboys will tell you....it ain't bragging if you done it.

I tip my hat to those that have in the past and those who do currently.

The day I pinned those Wings on my Chest....I became a Military Aviator......and that is a something that shall never change.

We should all remember that as it applies to all us who did that even it yours was sewn on and not pinned on.....in reality they could have been tattooed upon your breast and it would have been the same.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 13:07
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That whole thing was a bit cryptic for me Iím afraid.

As I said, BEagle asked the question of where all the current aviators were and I gave an answer. I also said he may not like the answer I gave.

I also made pains to point out that I have total respect for the aviators of the past but that sometimes reminiscence doesnít help with answering a question. There is a time and a place. Admittedly, I donít think any of us should have expected an actual answer to the question posed in this thread.

My later points were meant to illustrate the modern issues of OPSEC and commercial sensitivities. Does anybody ever wonder why we donít have current Typhoon and F35 pilots running their mouths off on here? Iím a REMF, hence I can post a little more freely.

I have locked horns with Beags in the past and my point has always been that nobody is above criticism. That includes me and I accept that willingly.

I think you were questioning my credentials. Iíve probably banged on enough about it in the past. I have 20 years flying jets (Jag and Hawk) and am still doing it on a daily basis.

I am well aware of your experience and admire it greatly, but it doesnít mean we have to agree about everything.

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 13:10
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To be fair anyone who posts on here about their current paid employment is.... unwise.........
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Given that your own sell by date has long since expired, how is that a valid query, Beags?
You are not, any longer.
So why do you impugn others?
My sell by date expired in 2005.
I am a 'used to be' who still loves that Military Aviation Profession and advocates for it.
Take your wet blanket act and park it on the ramp way out there, where the fire fighters practice their craft on long dead airframes.
You'll be in good company.

Lonewolf. Given that I am quite a bit older than Beagle (I actually taught him at RAF Chivenor in 1982), you probably think I am past my 'sell by date'. Not a bit of it. I still teach aerobatics, tail chasing & formation flying and own my own 'Warbird' So don't really seem ready for pipe & slippers just yet. Moreover, having watched interviews by Douglas Bader and Robin Olds, they too had much to offer despite being even older than myself. Military aviation principles don't change too much.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 14:25
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In the past I've had some great help out of this site from serving people with current knowledge (pensions, JPA, policy, etc...). Would I ask many of those questions today, probably not for the very reasons BV mentions. And nor would (m)any of my serving colleagues.

That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.

Long live the mil history forum.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 16:08
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Indeed you taught me at Chiv, Bluntie - and very well too, I might add!

These days I am merely one of
[Ö]the backroom boys and girls who support the flying [Ö]
So my professional interest in AAR trail management was attracted by the news of the trail diversion. So all the F-35B and carrier bashing was an unwelcome distraction.

As SASless might agree "You can take the man out of the fighter, but never the fighter out of the man" as a USAF pilot once said!

By the way,10% Carlos was (and probably still is) a most excellent chap!
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 19:10
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Possibly related to the F-35 deployment to Red Flag.

From FlightRadar24:

MRTT RRR9401 out of Charleston (the one in South Carolina, not CRW) has apparently done some refueling and is headed west.



RRR9403 out of Lajes has done the 'forgot his sandwiches' maneuver and is headed eastbound.

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Old 25th Jan 2020, 20:54
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It is - they staged through MCAS Beaufort, SC.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 22:58
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Originally Posted by sharpend View Post
Lonewolf. Given that I am quite a bit older than Beagle (I actually taught him at RAF Chivenor in 1982), you probably think I am past my 'sell by date'.
That makes two of us, you and I. Though I suspect you are a bit older than I.
A few of my mentors flew in Korea, more in Viet Nam.
Clyde Lassen was my CO when I was in my early helicopter training.
What I find really annoying about Beags' whinging is that it is whinging.
Military aviation principles don't change too much.
We are in violent agreement.
The post I responded to had bloody fcuk all to do with military aviation principles.
Maybe my point did not come across clearly enough, and really, it doesn't matter.
Better to stay on the topic of the F-35 to Red Flag.
Bob the Viking covered the rest.
Personally, I think it is great the the UK's F-35's are heading to Red Flag to train ... and to do Vegas. Work hard, play hard. That was once part of the Military Aviator's ethos.
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Old 25th Jan 2020, 23:07
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41 Sqn will also be joining them this year for Typhoon trials work, according to the Nellis media list.
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Old 26th Jan 2020, 00:57
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 View Post
It is - they staged through MCAS Beaufort, SC.
If they staged out of Beaufort it looks to me like that refueling must be for stragglers or somebody that's going home. Nellis is in the other direction. It looks like the second MRTT plane was an airborne spare. Navy Pax River is nearby if they needed gas and the tanker had another problem. But that might not be a good optic for the media back home.

The westbound plane went into Las Vegas (not Nellis) and the eastbound plane is doing an RON at Gander.
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Old 3rd Feb 2020, 21:01
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Tanker moving a straggler F-35 from Lajes, with a second tanker to keep the F-35 going all the way to Nellis, having already brought the rest out to Beaufort earlier in the week.
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Old 3rd Feb 2020, 21:35
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BEagle made a good point about the northern route in winter. One of my last jobs in maritime was to brief the SAROp cover for a Leopard Trail. To give a flavour of the hazard we planned to join the Jaguar crews at Marham for a mass brief. We never made it. We diverted to Waddington and were snowed in.

For the flight across we carried a mix of additional dinghies - for a Victor crew and a Jaguar - and also Containers Land Equipment as there was almost ad much land/ice than sea between Colt and Gander.
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Old 3rd Feb 2020, 23:25
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Originally Posted by downsizer View Post
In the past I've had some great help out of this site from serving people with current knowledge (pensions, JPA, policy, etc...). Would I ask many of those questions today, probably not for the very reasons BV mentions. And nor would (m)any of my serving colleagues.

That said, it is what it is. It is now more a RBL, VFW, etc than a virtual T-Bar. Not better, not worse, just different.

Long live the mil history forum.
I suspect Sharpend is the only person bar BV that gets above FL10 these days on a regular basis. Certainly in the front. I know BV does go a lot higher and way faster. I get my chances in a jump seat ocasionally, like last week. Enjoyed that,, But my place was to shut up and hold the voyage report on take off, climb and final. This is a historical forum in the main.
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