Time for a UK SEAD/DEAD Capability?
Originally Posted by weemonkey
Have they cured the lack of range considering it's the stumpy lift fan version of the family [or do the initials USMC become a cure all?]
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Nope. I haven’t seen a UK one with external tanks either, so maybe we haven’t bought that option yet? Then again, if you fit tanks then you lose LO qualities and then you need some sort of stand-off jammer with a SEAD/DEAD capability - circular argument about the requirement?
Originally Posted by weemonkey
Stealth aircraft with a jammer. Uhuh, just what are we paying for?
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Has Ms Abbott lent you her abacus?
Typhoon
1 Sqn
2 Sqn
3 Sqn
6 Sqn
9 Sqn
11 Sqn
12 Sqn
Plus 29 Sqn (biggest number of jets), plus 41 Sqn (effectively the OEU with a small number of jets)
So that is 7x FL Sqns and at least a further in reserve as the OCU/OEU.
Lightning
617 Sqn
Plus 207 Sqn (the OCU), plus 17 Sqn (the OEU)
Plus 809 Sqn for the Royal Navy
If I recall correctly, there is an intent to buy 138 F35 in total, which will mean more RAF and RN sqns are to come?
Typhoon
1 Sqn
2 Sqn
3 Sqn
6 Sqn
9 Sqn
11 Sqn
12 Sqn
Plus 29 Sqn (biggest number of jets), plus 41 Sqn (effectively the OEU with a small number of jets)
So that is 7x FL Sqns and at least a further in reserve as the OCU/OEU.
Lightning
617 Sqn
Plus 207 Sqn (the OCU), plus 17 Sqn (the OEU)
Plus 809 Sqn for the Royal Navy
If I recall correctly, there is an intent to buy 138 F35 in total, which will mean more RAF and RN sqns are to come?
Of course, I don't believe for a minute that the UK will actually buy 138 F-35's. Being realistic, and given our economic uncertainty at the moment, it will be closer to 100 I suspect.
BVRAAM,
I think that over the service lifetime we’ll likely end up with 150+ F35 tail numbers. However, I agree that the average in-service fleet will be nearer 100. The remaining tails will be attrition and later Blocks that enable advanced capability more cheaply than upgrading older Blocks. Inevitably, there will be a blend of As and Bs.....
57mm,
Not just a TRD, but the Britecloud EAD as well....
I think that over the service lifetime we’ll likely end up with 150+ F35 tail numbers. However, I agree that the average in-service fleet will be nearer 100. The remaining tails will be attrition and later Blocks that enable advanced capability more cheaply than upgrading older Blocks. Inevitably, there will be a blend of As and Bs.....
57mm,
Not just a TRD, but the Britecloud EAD as well....
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Originally Posted by Evalu8ter
BVRAAM,
I think that over the service lifetime we’ll likely end up with 150+ F35 tail numbers. However, I agree that the average in-service fleet will be nearer 100. The remaining tails will be attrition and later Blocks that enable advanced capability more cheaply than upgrading older Blocks. Inevitably, there will be a blend of As and Bs.....
I think that over the service lifetime we’ll likely end up with 150+ F35 tail numbers. However, I agree that the average in-service fleet will be nearer 100. The remaining tails will be attrition and later Blocks that enable advanced capability more cheaply than upgrading older Blocks. Inevitably, there will be a blend of As and Bs.....
Remember, the UK ordered 250 Typhoons in a time when we had several hundred Tornado GR's and F3's, a bunch of Jags and both types of Harrier. We no longer have all of those jets and we only have just under 160 Typhoons - that's bad.
Maybe we can expect an additional Typhoon Squadron from SDSR20?
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Originally Posted by weemonkey
Interesting to note that London's social security budget, and I use that term loosely, is greater than that for the MoD....
Worth pointing out that income tax, corporation tax and NI from london pretty much supports the rest of the UK...
Originally Posted by weemonkey
Interesting to note that London's social security budget, and I use that term loosely, is greater than that for the MoD....
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
With the pitiful range/endurance of the F35B, I don’t think so. S
TBM,
The guff around TyTAN (the IOS for Typhoon) noted that the extra Sqns were being generated through efficiencies enabling the rest of the Sqns to be 'around 12 jets'. Not sure if this is still the case…
“We will be extending the life of our multirole Typhoon for 10 extra years through to 2040, meaning we will be able to create 2 additional squadrons. This will give us a total of 7 frontline squadrons, consisting of around 12 aircraft per squadron.”
The guff around TyTAN (the IOS for Typhoon) noted that the extra Sqns were being generated through efficiencies enabling the rest of the Sqns to be 'around 12 jets'. Not sure if this is still the case…
“We will be extending the life of our multirole Typhoon for 10 extra years through to 2040, meaning we will be able to create 2 additional squadrons. This will give us a total of 7 frontline squadrons, consisting of around 12 aircraft per squadron.”
Originally Posted by peter we
Its about the same as the Growler isn't it?
F18E/F (the F model is very similar to the G as an airframe):
Combat Range: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
From the graphic above the F35B has a combat range of ~450nm!
The Super Hornets have about 1/3rd more fuel than the older bog-standard Hornets that you may be thinking of.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
Typically how many cabs in a UK fighter squadron?
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Nope, from the following USN website: https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_d...&tid=1200&ct=1
F18E/F (the F model is very similar to the G as an airframe):
Combat Range: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
From the graphic above the F35B has a combat range of ~450nm!
The Super Hornets have about 1/3rd more fuel than the older bog-standard Hornets that you may be thinking of.
F18E/F (the F model is very similar to the G as an airframe):
Combat Range: 1,275 nautical miles (2,346 kilometers), clean plus two AIM-9s
From the graphic above the F35B has a combat range of ~450nm!
The Super Hornets have about 1/3rd more fuel than the older bog-standard Hornets that you may be thinking of.
Originally Posted by flighthappens
just make sure you aren’t comparing range and radius...
Originally Posted by Evalu8ter
Harley,
I was going to suggest that equating perennially bullet-dodging air defenders with proper combat aircraft was something of a compliment actually.....;-)
I was going to suggest that equating perennially bullet-dodging air defenders with proper combat aircraft was something of a compliment actually.....;-)
Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Thanks for that mate. Even when range is converted to radius then the Growler is far better than F35B by roughly 200nm. Oddly enough the last short range fighter we had was called Lightning too...
You are comparing the Super Hornet, clean, of which the single seat version has more fuel, and possibly different assumptions regarding stores expenditure, certainly drag index.
This USN website has a 850+NM range for the EA-18G when combat loaded. If you halve that you end up 425NM. ALQ99 and AGM88 are heavy and draggy, particularly when not aligned with the airflow on outward canted pylons.
https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_d...0&tid=950&ct=1
