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Defence under a Corbyn Government

Old 3rd Sep 2019, 11:07
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It will no longer concern me, because if that filth gets in , Iím leaving on a jet plane .
Don't let the door skelp you on the arse on the way out.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:19
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It is surprising that Corbyn generates so much visceral antipathy. He's kept Labor together, no mean feat and he's been more right than most in his rejection of Mid East adventures. Plus his stance on Brexit seems more reasonable than that of the current Government.
Why is he considered as a bogeyman?
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:24
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It is surprising that Corbyn generates so much visceral antipathy. He's kept Labor together, no mean feat and he's been more right than most in his rejection of Mid East adventures. Plus his stance on Brexit seems more reasonable than that of the current Government.
Why is he considered as a bogeyman?
Was Labour falling apart under Miliband? I would suggest that Labour has kept itself together despite Corbyn, not because of him.
Rejection of Mid East adventures. By the West, for sure. No problem if it's Russia.
His stance on Brexit has been duplicitous at best. He has tried to have it both ways, and his reluctance to come down off the fence makes him as responsible as anyone for the mess we are in now.

All of that said, I would still vote for him over the current Tory cabal. Strange times.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:59
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His stance on Brexit has been duplicitous at best. He has tried to have it both ways, and his reluctance to come down off the fence makes him as responsible as anyone for the mess we are in now.
I cannot abide the man, viewing him as a disaster-in-waiting, but... any more duplicitous than the shower of sh1t who started and are perpetuating this? More responsible than Cameron for the mess we are in now?

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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
I cannot abide the man, viewing him as a disaster-in-waiting, but... any more duplicitous than the shower of sh1t who started and are perpetuating this? More responsible than Cameron for the mess we are in now?

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I would say so. Cameron was incompetent and hubristic, rather than duplicitous. Corbyn has played a double-game, though I sense that now at the 11th hour he is finally seeing a need to take a stance to try and end this madness.

Would trust him as far as I could throw him, but would still vote for him over Johnson (rather, the extremists Johnson has surrounded himself with).
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 15:27
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If Labour selected Hilary Benn as leader, they would get a lot more support from those who are utterly fed up with the dictatorial antics of Johnson, the current government and its right-wing ERG gang...

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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 15:45
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If Labour Hilary Benn as leader, they would get a lot more support from those who are utterly fed up with the dictatorial antics of Johnson, the current government and its right-wing ERG gang...
Yep, ditto Kenneth Clarke. The structures of both major parties seem to encourage leaders from either end of the political spectrum; I wonder whether it's because those of us in the middle ground, who might countenance voting for either party if the leadership and policies were right, don't tend to join those parties and therefore can't influence their leadership.
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It used to be the case that political parties were considered to be so close to centre that it didn't really matter that much who was in power. These days, it seems that the Tories and Labour are polarising to the extremes of the spectrum.

It doesn't bode well if compromise is required to deliver a solution to this morass, not to mention the potential for more direct action.

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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:27
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Originally Posted by pasta View Post
Yep, ditto Kenneth Clarke. The structures of both major parties seem to encourage leaders from either end of the political spectrum; I wonder whether it's because those of us in the middle ground, who might countenance voting for either party if the leadership and policies were right, don't tend to join those parties and therefore can't influence their leadership.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:56
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One for beagle at al.

Wait until to Google Boris Johnson. You're in for a shock.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 20:45
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I'm not a fan of JC but the historical defence budget presents an interesting picture:

I wouldn't doubt the graph at all sir. What it needs is the detailed explanation, the spikes in the period to 1990 were the Golden years after the 1981 cuts. Then came the end of the cold war hence the drop. With a further drop under the more middle of the road John Major. Thereafter, the rise from 1997 would be due to Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq. The drop after 2010, due to recession and near bankruptcy. I remain given his past statements on record and his seeming chumminess with Gerry Adams etc, just what he would do with regard the current defence posture, how would he get on with the military chiefs.

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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 22:52
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Why is he considered as a bogeyman?
For me, itís his past affinity and support for the IRA, and I donít fall for the spin that he was ďseeking peaceĒ.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 23:51
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I predict that if elected PM, Corbyn will quickly be assassinated by someone who can be visibly pinged as 'pro-Brexit' thus conveniently solving two establishment issues for the price of one.
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat View Post
I predict that if elected PM, Corbyn will quickly be assassinated by someone who can be visibly pinged as 'pro-Brexit' thus conveniently solving two establishment issues for the price of one.
better a volunteer than a pressed man. eh!
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by weemonkey View Post
better a volunteer than a pressed man. eh!
Worth watchlng if your train of thoughts head that way lol :P The first film is made for 45 minute viewing...low budget, the second more well thought out.

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etudiant,

I have heard Corbyn described as many things in recent times, excellent tactician isnít however, one of them.

His approach is one of the student debating Society and is naive. His strength is in campaigning not leading or governing. Just look at the current outrage over the planned proroguation of Parliament. Corbyn has had how long to call a no confidence vote in Johnson, but he fluffed it. Not only did he fluff it, he telegraphed his intent ahead of time before then holding back for the perfect moment. Johnsonís circus must have been laughing all the way to Balmoral to speak to the Queen. They didnít need intelligence, Corbyn told them what he was thinking and then waffled.

For me, Corbyn is the puppet. McDonnell and Momentum are the real puppet masters and the threat to Defence and the nationís security. Should Corbyn ever be elected (and Iím with Vin Rouge here in thinking the Tories are currently in a hard right / populist echo chamber which may or may not reflect as much of he electorate as they imagine) I think weíll find him being sidelined by his own people to press home the full extent of Marxist Government they want.
Laughingly describing his approach akin to student debating society reminded me of (if anyone who is on FB), few years ago a four photo montage of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Saruman and some other hero with JC's face on it. The caption read "It takes a white haired hero to save us ocne again" or something along those lines. Quite a few friends who support Labour were sharing that montage on their wall...

Safe to say the montage was laughable, and then the video of the Para's shooting range with photo of his goodself kind of upset him. The tabloids were up in arms as they played on the fear emerging from the murder of the female MP Jo with the shooting practice.

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Old 4th Sep 2019, 18:18
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Corbyn & Defence? What 4kin defence?

Mark these wise words from Melchett01

"For me, Corbyn is the puppet. McDonnell and Momentum are the real puppet masters and the threat to Defence and the nationís security. Should Corbyn ever be elected (and Iím with Vin Rouge here in thinking the Tories are currently in a hard right / populist echo chamber which may or may not reflect as much of he electorate as they imagine) I think weíll find him being sidelined by his own people to press home the full extent of Marxist Government they want."
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If you really want to see Corbyn in his element, then simply lift a manhole cover over a sewer in London and peer inside.

You will also see certain Tory MPs at the same time.

Hammond even looks like a rat.
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Originally Posted by dook View Post
If you really want to see Corbyn in his element, then simply lift a manhole cover over a sewer in London and peer inside.

You will also see certain Tory MPs at the same time.

Hammond even looks like a rat.
Your lot getting their backsides handed to them in the house tonight. The 0.3% who voted in Boris don’t represent us. His bully boy tactics, together with those of Gollum his senior adviser, are a disgrace. Gollum isn’t even a Tory party member. They are now paying the price.
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