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Video-Indian Air Force Jaguar drops practice munitions on airfield after bird strike.

Old 29th Jun 2019, 16:45
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All except the ECM pods on the Jags, they were getting in short supply so the carts were removed from the pylons to prevent the pilot jettisoning them..

We had a foreign distaff in the back of a Tbird manage to clear stores off the aircraft during an exercise, I seem to remember he came back down to earth with a thump... So to speak.
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Old 29th Jun 2019, 19:49
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And that massive recce pod - that was coming with us to the scene of the crash.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 13:07
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Originally Posted by bobward View Post
Many years ago I saw a Jaguar lose an engine departing Coltishall. He cleaned off all the stores just as here. However, the fuel tanks just hit the ground and broke up.
After an extended circuit she came back in and landed safely.

After seeing that, I never did any spotting at either end of the runway, just to the side.... You never know, do you?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 15:27
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But.....but....did he get the Birds with the ersatz Napalm strike?
Indeed he did. How do like your pigeon - well done?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 16:48
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Did they ever find out if the bird hit the Jaguar from the front or the back?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 17:45
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Originally Posted by KiloB View Post
Did they ever find out if the bird hit the Jaguar from the front or the back?
is that a low blow?
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:17
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Originally Posted by dagenham View Post


is that a low blow?
It was a Jaguar taking off, so a slow blow...
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:41
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A slight misconception

If there is one thing the Jaguar was not as it took off it is slow. Rotate speeds were often eye watering especially in hot and high locations with heavy stores.

The highest rotate speed I personally ever remember using was 193 knots at Davis Monthan in a warm April with bombs on. Tyre limiting speed at take off was 205 knots.

Now, if you want to banter acceleration or climb rates then I have no defence.

Carrying a PW3 (and tanks, missiles and chaff/ECM) out of Thumrait I remember it took 160 track miles to get to 14000 in dry power.

To link the story to the Indian event we actually had dispensation to operate with a dead zone after take off at Thumrait until we had reached a certain speed. Losing an engine shortly after take off meant ejection was the only option. Hence the IAF jet dropping his stores was very necessary.

Also bear in mind I joined the Jaguar late when it had the 106 engines. Stand by for some horror stories from the likes of Dook and Background Noise.

Can anyone hear that noise? Kind of squeaky. Like a swinging lantern...

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Note: I apologise if any of my numbers are inaccurate. I do not have dementia yet and, to the best of my knowledge, they are correct.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 18:58
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For background.

This a reference to a Jaguar accident report submitted back around 1976.

CS submitted a flash accident signal of a Jaguar hitting a rabbit on the take-off run with the nose gear and damaging the hydraulic pipes.

A bright spark at CY immediately responded with a signal asking for clarification if the rabbit had hit the front or the rear of the nose gear. Copied to all other FJ stations. Ribaldry ensued.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Carrying a PW3 (and missiles and chaff/ECM) out of Thumrait I remember it took 160 track miles to get to 14000 in dry power.
BV

Wow, if you go in a straight line for 160 miles form sea level, not following the curvature of the earth, you will actually end up around 17000' above ground. So it really is due to the curvature of the earth that the Jag can manage to take off.

But it still losses 3000' in 160 miles.....
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 21:31
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Jest on , guys ; but for those who were there , (and managed to survive), Jaguars at Thumrait had to be one of life's great flying experiences . Mind you , it did help that most daily ops were spared the nuisance of stuff like external tanks . However , FPDs ( fire power demos ) were a fairly regular occurrence , Eric B and the Sultan liked them .

These usually involved a full load of the heavy stuff to generate maximum noise on Rubkut range . The CAB was definitely in the scan on takeoff . Such considerations never seemed to bother those who sanctioned the continuing growth of the Wali camp at the end of the runway who would have collected any such jettison of munitions . Maybe it was a case of "insh'allah" , but as far as I know , nothing ever landed in their midst over the years , although I do stand to be corrected .
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Stand by for some horror stories from the likes of Dook and Background Noise.

Can anyone hear that noise? Kind of squeaky. Like a swinging lantern...
.. and smelling of wee??

We did operate most of the time in our supposed 'war fit' of CL recce pod, tanks and outboard ECM and Phimat - which IIRC were also non-jettisonable. I do recall often extrapolating the takeoff speeds off the side of the graph, but I don't recall any 'dispensation' - it was just what we did.

The banter from the Tornado Sqns was obviously merciless - right up until GW1 when they started carrying JP233!
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 12:54
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The USAF refuses to be outdone.....and continues its long known ability to drop bombs on its own nation forces and allies.

What's three missing practice bombs when they have as many missing nukes or more!


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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by just another jocky View Post
Would you expect the tanks to explode like that?
It's a survival strategy. Down an engine, looking for lift, what better than a nice hot thermal to glide on, gain some height. Jaguars are famed for their ability in this regard...

Seriously though, well done that pilot.
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