Iran claims RQ-4 shootdown
US-Iran: Trump 'pulls back after approving military strikes'
From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48714414
Perhaps the US has realised that their drone's routing was...in error? That's a difficult, disputed part of the world and something like a missed waypoint could easily cause an invisible territorial line to be crossed if the drone cuts a corner, probably unintended.
Perhaps the US has realised that their drone's routing was...in error? That's a difficult, disputed part of the world and something like a missed waypoint could easily cause an invisible territorial line to be crossed if the drone cuts a corner, probably unintended.
From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48714414
Perhaps the US has realised that their drone's routing was...in error? That's a difficult, disputed part of the world and something like a missed waypoint could easily cause an invisible territorial line to be crossed if the drone cuts a corner, probably unintended.
Perhaps the US has realised that their drone's routing was...in error? That's a difficult, disputed part of the world and something like a missed waypoint could easily cause an invisible territorial line to be crossed if the drone cuts a corner, probably unintended.
Iran will not back down but a behind the scenes "Diplomatic" conversation where both insist they were in the right may cool it down a bit. Sadly Bolton / Pompeo will still be pushing for war.
Plenty of good questions for both sides and all parties involved in this situation.
The need for up to date effective intelligence gathering is a must these days especially when one has the capability to perform those kinds of missions.
During the Cold War, the RAF and USAF conducted covert (or even some in your face) overflights of Soviet and Chinese territory so the concept is not new.
At least we are not putting aircrew at risk as we did in those days.
The 64 Dollar question is who shall blink first....the Iranians or the Western Powers and their Allies.
Just posted in the news....Trump called off the strikes ten minutes before they were to take place as he determined the likelihood of 150 deaths to not be a proper outcome for the shooting down of an un-manned drone.
That to me is a good call....and certainly puts the Iranians on notice the US Military is capable of measured response to their provocations.
It also puts them on notice that Trump seeks a peaceful outcome to all of this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...ast-minute-wsj
The need for up to date effective intelligence gathering is a must these days especially when one has the capability to perform those kinds of missions.
During the Cold War, the RAF and USAF conducted covert (or even some in your face) overflights of Soviet and Chinese territory so the concept is not new.
At least we are not putting aircrew at risk as we did in those days.
The 64 Dollar question is who shall blink first....the Iranians or the Western Powers and their Allies.
Just posted in the news....Trump called off the strikes ten minutes before they were to take place as he determined the likelihood of 150 deaths to not be a proper outcome for the shooting down of an un-manned drone.
That to me is a good call....and certainly puts the Iranians on notice the US Military is capable of measured response to their provocations.
It also puts them on notice that Trump seeks a peaceful outcome to all of this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...ast-minute-wsj
Last edited by SASless; 21st Jun 2019 at 13:27.
Usually the topic of potential casualties comes before the strike decision. Indeed, it is usually the first point before choosing a response option. Somehow the US got very close to a retaliatory strike before establishing the basics. Unbelievably, POTUS is now providing the excuses for Iran by declaring that the original shoot-down was not orchestrated at Iranian government level, suggesting it was someone much lower down. He also seemed to suggest that shooting down an unmanned aircraft in international airspace was more excusable due to the absence of people.
So does the US feel the need to respond to a SAM attack on an expensive aircraft or not?
So does the US feel the need to respond to a SAM attack on an expensive aircraft or not?
certainly puts the Iranians on notice the US Military is capable of measured response to their provocations
if the attack had been done....ya'll would be howling that Trump was starting WWIII.....but do carry on!
Which action was presidential - reneging on the nuclear deal, or stoking the rhetoric and sanctions against Iran to the bewilderment of allies, or the authorising of action against 3 targets without knowing the probable casualty figures, or changing his mind after deploying his forces or playing down the matter afterwards as the drone was unmanned?
I've no idea if POTUS is going to act or not, even now. Perhaps this will be another 'only small missile' event like with North Korea.
I've no idea if POTUS is going to act or not, even now. Perhaps this will be another 'only small missile' event like with North Korea.
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Something is happening in background and Oman is in the thick of it. They have become VG friends with couple of countrys in last couple of years, exited GCC etc.
Not sure the Iranians will view it this way, more a lack of resolve. You've got to walk the walk in that neck of the woods. Reminds me of the furore about Obama's red line in Syria, and we know how that turned out
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Whether vacillation or strategy, it might have been useful to have a lot more than 150 Iranians spending several minutes thinking they were about to get a serving of Shock & Awe. (For one thing, all the other surveillance assets got to see where and how everyone reacted.)
There is a theory that there is some military advantage derived w/ a crazy leader...something like that the enemy can't plan based on strategically logical moves by his opponent. (I might have read this in John Keegan's "A History of Warfare.")
There is a theory that there is some military advantage derived w/ a crazy leader...something like that the enemy can't plan based on strategically logical moves by his opponent. (I might have read this in John Keegan's "A History of Warfare.")
Usually the topic of potential casualties comes before the strike decision. Indeed, it is usually the first point before choosing a response option. Somehow the US got very close to a retaliatory strike before establishing the basics. Unbelievably, POTUS is now providing the excuses for Iran by declaring that the original shoot-down was not orchestrated at Iranian government level, suggesting it was someone much lower down. He also seemed to suggest that shooting down an unmanned aircraft in international airspace was more excusable due to the absence of people.
So does the US feel the need to respond to a SAM attack on an expensive aircraft or not?
So does the US feel the need to respond to a SAM attack on an expensive aircraft or not?
My Iranian neighbours here in my neighbourhood have been talking for years about the power struggle between the vast majority of moderate Iranians and the “old guard “ represented by the Revolutionary Guard. What a pity such a historic and cultured people are being held hostage by a small minority of radicals.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.
My Iranian neighbours here in my neighbourhood have been talking for years about the power struggle between the vast majority of moderate Iranians and the “old guard “ represented by the Revolutionary Guard. What a pity such a historic and cultured people are being held hostage by a small minority of radicals.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.
100 speedboats?
My Iranian neighbours here in my neighbourhood have been talking for years about the power struggle between the vast majority of moderate Iranians and the “old guard “ represented by the Revolutionary Guard. What a pity such a historic and cultured people are being held hostage by a small minority of radicals.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.
The Iranians aren’t doing so well either.