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tartare 20th Jun 2019 04:34

Iran claims RQ-4 shootdown
 
Just breaking now.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-...20-p51zmf.html
If correct, that would be a significant escalation?
A rather expensive and important asset...

Bob Viking 20th Jun 2019 07:16

Uh oh.
 
Any word on the crew?

Or is it too soon for humour?!

BV

tartare 20th Jun 2019 07:17

Well - Mike Pompeo would struggle to claim one american harmed ;)

ericsson16 20th Jun 2019 07:51

https://www.apnews.com/56d15bf24be248c88df168a4fa590bf6

tartare 20th Jun 2019 07:57

Here we go...

hunterboy 20th Jun 2019 08:59

I wonder if the UAV operator would suffer any PTSD effects from something like this? I’m guessing flying a UAV is quite immersive?

AnglianAV8R 20th Jun 2019 09:12

BREAKING: President Trump has urged his administration official to "tone down" their talk about Iran, reminding them that he is not interested in a military confrontation with Tehran, despite the hawkish views of some of his advisors


tartare 20th Jun 2019 09:33

US now saying it was a Triton.

57mm 20th Jun 2019 10:18

"Our glorious Revolutionary Guard took down the American Imperialist jackal drone with one of our limpet mines, salvaged earlier from the decadent western tanker......."

dead_pan 20th Jun 2019 10:57

Eek. No doubt bits of said drone will now be enroute to Moscow and Beijing

dead_pan 20th Jun 2019 11:00


If correct, that would be a significant escalation?
For the US, perhaps. Iran is entitled to defend its airspace.

ORAC 20th Jun 2019 11:12

Over international waters monitoring maritime traffic - and Iranian fast inshore patrol craft. I can see how, after last week, it’s presence would have pissed the Iranians off. They fired on the one monitoring the tankers which were attacked a few days ago.

Should be easy to prove one way or the other. It would have been squawking and showing on ATC radar when hit to show it’s location.

A_Van 20th Jun 2019 11:27

I wonder if there is a rather "neutral" 3rd party in that area to confirm whether the drone was downed in the iranian airspace or over international waters.
Oman?

AF03-111 20th Jun 2019 11:36


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10498429)
Over international waters monitoring maritime traffic - and Iranian fast inshore patrol craft. I can see how, after last week, itís presence would have pissed the Iranians off. They fired on the one monitoring the tankers which were attacked a few days ago.

Should be easy to prove one way or the other. It would have been squawking and showing on ATC radar when hit to show itís location.

Unless they were in Iranian airspace, which (ahem, allegedly) happened all the time in the Khosrowabad area with US aircraft heading SE out of Iraqi airspace.

SASless 20th Jun 2019 11:55


If correct, that would be a significant escalation?
A rather expensive and important asset...
Nope! Not at all.

It is considered a cost of doing business and can be used for political purposes after the fact to show hostile intent and culpability by Iran in the Tanker Attacks.

If the Iranians are such peace loving and kindly folk they would not interfere with anything or anyone assisting in providing security for commercial ship traffic would they especially in International Waters or International Airspace.

For sure....they have no legal justification for downing any aircraft or firing upon any vessel in International waters do they...unless one of their vessels are being attacked.

The Sanctions must be putting some real hurt on them....and the radical elements within their government must be acting out over it.

NutLoose 20th Jun 2019 12:29


Originally Posted by Bob Viking (Post 10498272)
Any word on the crew?

Or is it too soon for humour?!

BV

I wonder if they have a ribbon for that situation ;)

NutLoose 20th Jun 2019 12:33


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 10498416)
Eek. No doubt bits of said drone will now be enroute to Moscow and Beijing

I thought they already had some stray ones from Afghanistan etc.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E...Q-170_incident

CargoOne 20th Jun 2019 12:38


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10498465)
If the Iranians are such peace loving and kindly folk they would not interfere with anything or anyone assisting in providing security for commercial ship traffic would they especially in International Waters or International Airspace.
For sure....they have no legal justification for downing any aircraft or firing upon any vessel in International waters do they...unless one of their vessels are being attacked.

Would you be surprised if the drone was NOT in international waters? While Iranian leadership were not among the honest people for decades, US military ops have had their fair share of stories too.... I guess we will never know as 3rd parties will not be allowed in and it is a word against word.

SASless 20th Jun 2019 12:49

I would not be surprised by anything re US military and Non-Military Intelligence gathering operations.

One thing I would for sure be surprised at would be anyone posting here at pprune have any real idea about the matter at hand.

Those that know....darn tooting will not be posting here.

From my view point....we could have dozens of Drones overhead Iran on a 24/7 basis and I would not be bothered about the Iranian response at all.

Drone surveillance should be an adjunct to Satellite and other methods of intelligence gathering as they are subject to interdiction.

dead_pan 20th Jun 2019 12:56

Assuming warnings were given on guard before the engagement, would the drone operator been aware of these?


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