Iran claims RQ-4 shootdown
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its all a big game. No one was hurt and the Iranians have established a red line in the sand. Hell, trump probably sees it as a 180 million cash investment in Grumman.
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I would not be surprised by anything re US military and Non-Military Intelligence gathering operations.
One thing I would for sure be surprised at would be anyone posting here at pprune have any real idea about the matter at hand.
Those that know....darn tooting will not be posting here.
From my view point....we could have dozens of Drones overhead Iran on a 24/7 basis and I would not be bothered about the Iranian response at all.
Drone surveillance should be an adjunct to Satellite and other methods of intelligence gathering as they are subject to interdiction.
One thing I would for sure be surprised at would be anyone posting here at pprune have any real idea about the matter at hand.
Those that know....darn tooting will not be posting here.
From my view point....we could have dozens of Drones overhead Iran on a 24/7 basis and I would not be bothered about the Iranian response at all.
Drone surveillance should be an adjunct to Satellite and other methods of intelligence gathering as they are subject to interdiction.
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, how would you feel if it were Russian or Chinese drones overflying your own country?
They are bad actors that bear keeping an eye upon.
hunterboy,
"I wonder if the UAV operator would suffer any PTSD effects from something like this? I’m guessing flying a UAV is quite immersive?"
Isn't the RQ-4/MQ-4 operated in a rather different manner to things like the Reaper/Protector in that it is an autonomous 'untethered' system?
"I wonder if the UAV operator would suffer any PTSD effects from something like this? I’m guessing flying a UAV is quite immersive?"
Isn't the RQ-4/MQ-4 operated in a rather different manner to things like the Reaper/Protector in that it is an autonomous 'untethered' system?
Play all you want....the truth of the matter is we are talking SAUDI ARABIA, whose government is headed by radical muslim clerics who have announced their intent to obtain nuclear weapons and which funds/supports/directs aggressive military and terror activities in the Middle East.
They are bad actors that bear keeping an eye upon.
They are bad actors that bear keeping an eye upon.
Lets see Support for Taliban and Al Qaeda, Support for 9/11 with majority of its citizens the hiackers, aided and supported by SA Diplomats, support for War in Iraq in Anbar province where majority were Sunni by supplying weapons (6% of population / 30% of US Casualties).continued support for IS / AQ in Syria, practising genocide in Yemen, paid for Pakistan nuke weapons and now acquiring its own.
But lets worry about Iran.
Racedo,
Who are the belligerent folks...all the time talking about killing, annihilating, supporting terrorism, goose stepping down the boulevards of Tehran parading their military and Revolutionary Guards?
My vague recollection of history is another bunch once did much the same....where they had parallel military forces of standard army and those swearing allegiance to a radical party leadership.
Don't try to paint these folks as being a bunch of misunderstood Boy Scouts wannabee's.
Remember how they put down the large demonstrations against the Regime not so long ago.....murdering their own people in the streets.
I have my own beefs with the Saudi's....but the Iranian religious nutters are a far bigger problem when it comes to what they have gotten up to over the years.
In their bid to assert control over the Middle East and surrounding areas....they are causing lots of problems.
I say a pox on all their houses if they cannot learn to get along after a couple of thousand years.
Who are the belligerent folks...all the time talking about killing, annihilating, supporting terrorism, goose stepping down the boulevards of Tehran parading their military and Revolutionary Guards?
My vague recollection of history is another bunch once did much the same....where they had parallel military forces of standard army and those swearing allegiance to a radical party leadership.
Don't try to paint these folks as being a bunch of misunderstood Boy Scouts wannabee's.
Remember how they put down the large demonstrations against the Regime not so long ago.....murdering their own people in the streets.
I have my own beefs with the Saudi's....but the Iranian religious nutters are a far bigger problem when it comes to what they have gotten up to over the years.
In their bid to assert control over the Middle East and surrounding areas....they are causing lots of problems.
I say a pox on all their houses if they cannot learn to get along after a couple of thousand years.
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Racedo,
Who are the belligerent folks...all the time talking about killing, annihilating, supporting terrorism, goose stepping down the boulevards of Tehran parading their military and Revolutionary Guards?
My vague recollection of history is another bunch once did much the same....where they had parallel military forces of standard army and those swearing allegiance to a radical party leadership.
Don't try to paint these folks as being a bunch of misunderstood Boy Scouts wannabee's.
Remember how they put down the large demonstrations against the Regime not so long ago.....murdering their own people in the streets.
I have my own beefs with the Saudi's....but the Iranian religious nutters are a far bigger problem when it comes to what they have gotten up to over the years.
In their bid to assert control over the Middle East and surrounding areas....they are causing lots of problems.
I say a pox on all their houses if they cannot learn to get along after a couple of thousand years.
Who are the belligerent folks...all the time talking about killing, annihilating, supporting terrorism, goose stepping down the boulevards of Tehran parading their military and Revolutionary Guards?
My vague recollection of history is another bunch once did much the same....where they had parallel military forces of standard army and those swearing allegiance to a radical party leadership.
Don't try to paint these folks as being a bunch of misunderstood Boy Scouts wannabee's.
Remember how they put down the large demonstrations against the Regime not so long ago.....murdering their own people in the streets.
I have my own beefs with the Saudi's....but the Iranian religious nutters are a far bigger problem when it comes to what they have gotten up to over the years.
In their bid to assert control over the Middle East and surrounding areas....they are causing lots of problems.
I say a pox on all their houses if they cannot learn to get along after a couple of thousand years.
As for Saudi vs Iran, no contest. Saudi the biggest group of scoundrels hands down. At least the Iranians have a rich cultural history that predates the USA...
as to dick swinging military parades, pot, kettle, black?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...de-july-4.html
im not sure the US should be singing about Iranian PR as freedom of the press in the post trumpian world of fake nooos accusations and blocking CNN from the press briefing room.
I love the USA and deploying with you chaps on a regular basis. But Marilyn Manson has a point when he talks about needing to be on your knees to smell your own....
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When Brits go to slanging the Americans....it reminds one of the costs associated with bad decisions....perhaps ya'll should have closed up shop over there and joined us over here....sort of like a Brexit circa 1776 style!
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Bravo! 🤣
We did try and hold on to the colonies for a while to be fair. I think the White House needed a few licks of paint in between scuffles. Ironic that with the history of American independence, we seem to struggle with the concept that other different races don’t like us poking our noses into their business or territory.
Good to see for of all of trumps foibles, he has sensibly decided that the cost in gold and blood is not a sensible route to go down.
Now I have deliberately changed a word for two but just whose citizens have inflicted more damage on the US ?
Lets see Support for Taliban and Al Qaeda, Support for 9/11 with majority of its citizens the hiackers, aided and supported by SA Diplomats, support for War in Iraq in Anbar province where majority were Sunni by supplying weapons (6% of population / 30% of US Casualties).continued support for IS / AQ in Syria, practising genocide in Yemen, paid for Pakistan nuke weapons and now acquiring its own.
But lets worry about Iran.
Lets see Support for Taliban and Al Qaeda, Support for 9/11 with majority of its citizens the hiackers, aided and supported by SA Diplomats, support for War in Iraq in Anbar province where majority were Sunni by supplying weapons (6% of population / 30% of US Casualties).continued support for IS / AQ in Syria, practising genocide in Yemen, paid for Pakistan nuke weapons and now acquiring its own.
But lets worry about Iran.
SASless,
Y'all still speak English, even after 1776, and 1812...
Y'all still speak English, even after 1776, and 1812...
Play all you want....the truth of the matter is we are talking Iran, whose government is headed by radical muslim clerics who have announced their intent to obtain nuclear weapons and which funds/supports/directs aggressive military and terror activities in the Middle East.
They are bad actors that bear keeping an eye upon.
They are bad actors that bear keeping an eye upon.
US DoD Press Conference with 3* from CENTCOM on audio - I'll link when uploaded.
US Navy RQ-4 shot down over international waters - never entered Iranian airspace.
US Navy RQ-4 shot down over international waters - never entered Iranian airspace.
For all of his faults....Trump by nature does not support more war or foreign entanglements.
His first responses have always been to seek accommodation over confrontation.
That being said....some folks should be careful not to confuse meekness of manner for lack of resolve.
The Iranians may have stepped on their own Pee Pee with this latest evolution they have undertaken.
Trump has been said to think perhaps this might have been a rogue event that was not necessarily blessed by the most senior Iranian Officials
Bolton is headed to Israel....the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA Director rode back to work together after a White House National Security Council meeting today.
The President did not attend that meeting....as it was called for the Heads of Agenices and Departments to come up with options for the President's consideration.
His first responses have always been to seek accommodation over confrontation.
That being said....some folks should be careful not to confuse meekness of manner for lack of resolve.
The Iranians may have stepped on their own Pee Pee with this latest evolution they have undertaken.
Trump has been said to think perhaps this might have been a rogue event that was not necessarily blessed by the most senior Iranian Officials
Bolton is headed to Israel....the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the CIA Director rode back to work together after a White House National Security Council meeting today.
The President did not attend that meeting....as it was called for the Heads of Agenices and Departments to come up with options for the President's consideration.