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Iran claims RQ-4 shootdown

Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Any word on the crew?

Or is it too soon for humour?!

BV
BV,

Dos Gringos made a song about it. Third verse covers your question. The song itself (in the video) also have some other considerations between the verses. Enjoy

The Predator Eulogy

They shot down the predator
That's one less slot for me
They shot down the predator and it fills my heart with glee
I had a smile when I logged on to AFPC
They shot down the predator
That's one less slot for me.

They shot down the predator
I say let's send some more
Let's fly 'em over Baghdad and then see what's in store
'Cause I heard that the Air Force wants another 24
They shot down the predator
I say let's send some more

They shot down the predator
I wonder how that feels
For that operator who lost his set of wheels
It must feel so defenseless
Like clubbing baby seals
They shot down the predator
I wonder how that feels

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:15
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White House has invited Congressional leaders to Situation Room for briefing at 1500 EST - action likely - SAM site location known - probably won't be there tomorrow !

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:26
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His first responses have always been to seek accommodation over confrontation.
Hmm, not sure I agree with your assessment. He was all over the place in Syria, which suggests he is rather susceptible to whispers in his ear, which we've long suspected.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:29
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Syria was such an easy thing to deal with....right?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:31
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SAM site location known
If fixed it'll either be in the process of being stripped down, or ringed with close-in defences.

You could almost write the Iranian statement now - all cruise missiles shot down, only minor collateral damage, the great Satan defeated blah blah
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 18:42
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Originally Posted by dead_pan View Post
Err Trump has just Tweeted and sounds upset, although he hasn't gone full caps lock
any cvofeee or Stormy Daniels rants? Or is he just going to grab them by the pussy?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 19:37
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Bolton is headed to Israel...
To get his orders ?
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:39
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Racedo,
Who are the belligerent folks...all the time talking about killing, annihilating, supporting terrorism, goose stepping down the boulevards of Tehran parading their military and Revolutionary Guards?
My vague recollection of history is another bunch once did much the same....where they had parallel military forces of standard army and those swearing allegiance to a radical party leadership.
Don't try to paint these folks as being a bunch of misunderstood Boy Scouts wannabee's.
Remember how they put down the large demonstrations against the Regime not so long ago.....murdering their own people in the streets.
I have my own beefs with the Saudi's....but the Iranian religious nutters are a far bigger problem when it comes to what they have gotten up to over the years.
In their bid to assert control over the Middle East and surrounding areas....they are causing lots of problems.
I say a pox on all their houses if they cannot learn to get along after a couple of thousand years.
Saudi's have been slaughtering and bull dozing villages and towns in Shia area for last 10 years.
Even when reported it is Saudi side that is reacting to "terrorists".

These Iranian religious nutters have zero problems with Jews or Christians living there.
Iran not surprisingly seeks no outside interference.

Saudi's using Child soldiers but US scared to report it becuase the cash stops coming in.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/12/m...iya/index.html

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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Syria was such an easy thing to deal with....right?
Obama and HRC Clusterfcuk just like Libya.
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Old 20th Jun 2019, 22:50
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
For all of his faults....Trump by nature does not support more war or foreign entanglements.

His first responses have always been to seek accommodation over confrontation.

That being said....some folks should be careful not to confuse meekness of manner for lack of resolve.
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I fully expect him to respond........ without loss of any life.

This should reduce tension for both sides for a couple of weeks while the backdoor diplomacy that is going on continues.

Edit ...... Interesting that President Trump has indicated that Tehran didn't order it but in all probability a rogue General did, seems like there is extensive fast back channel chatter going on.

A hat out of the bag with Bibi / Trump / Iran meeting would be an interesting one with a mutually agreed peace treaty with all sorts of plans coming into play. KSA would not be happy but who lets be honest who cares.

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 00:52
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Good luck hitting that truck, then.

"Iran's paramilitary Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said it downed the drone at 4:05am local time when the aircraft entered Iranian airspace near the Kouhmobarak district in southern Hormozgan. Iran used its air defence system known as Third of Khordad to shoot down the drone - a truck-based missile system that can fire up to 30km high, the semi-official Fars news agency reported. Iran's state-run IRNA news agency, citing the IRGC, identified the drone as an RQ-4 Global Hawk, which can cost close to to $150m apiece, can fly higher than 16km and stay in the air for more than 24 hours at a time. Zarif, in his Twitter post, said the drone had taken off from the United Arab Emirates in "stealth mode" to avoid detection."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...142703718.html

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 01:24
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Oh, and Indian navy and drones in the mix there too, it would seem.
Indian warships sent to strategic Gulf waters | Arab News
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 01:38
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DoD releases shoot down video:

Pretty expensive cost of doing business SAS - US$150m - and one of only 42 airframes.
I'd imagine CENTCOM would be pretty pissed?
One assumes it was just doin' what such platforms do - cruising along at around FL60 and using sensors etc to look sideways into Iran from the safety of international airspace.
I'm amazed that something of this size and cost doesn't have really sophisticated ELINT countermeasures, and was able to be shot down in the first place.
Or was this just some kind of lucky shot?

EDIT: To improve survivability, the Global Hawk is fitted with a Raytheon developed AN/ALR-89 self-protection suite consisting of the AN/AVR-3 Laser warning receiver, AN/APR-49 Radar warning receiver and a jamming system. An ALE-50 towed decoy also aids in the deception of enemy air defenses.

So - what happened? I thought Iranian missile technology was supposed to be pretty basic...

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:55
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
One assumes it was just doin' what such platforms do - cruising along at around FL600 and using sensors etc to look sideways into Iran from the safety of international airspace.
{snip description of sophisticated self-protection suite}
So - what happened? I thought Iranian missile technology was supposed to be pretty basic...
This

Was it maybe being trolled down low as a provocation or was it actually waaay up yonder and Iranian defences proved rather more capable than expected?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 04:23
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An expensive, jet powered drone optimised for high altitude flight being flown low to provoke?
FAA have banned US civilian flights from the area; reportedly aircraft operating within 45nm at the time of the shootdown.
NY Times now reporting Trump had authorised strikes against Iran, and they were in the initial stages of being executed, before he was convinced to pull back.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-drone-attack

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 04:39
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It's a bad situation. This is no Iraq or Libya. Think the snake Russians would give intel on asset locations. Iran could fire a mass # of missiles our defenses may not to eliminate all of them.

I live in middle missouri by a certain air force base and could tell something was up today. Usually see base personal in town at restaurants. Did not see any out this evening
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 04:45
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Hormuz is open to free passage of shipping as long as they conform to traffic rules.

As far as Iranian airspace is concerned, was the drone squawking and did it have a clearance

If not, it was hostile military traffic
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 05:48
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Originally Posted by bhunt95 View Post
It's a bad situation. This is no Iraq or Libya. Think the snake Russians would give intel on asset locations. Iran could fire a mass # of missiles our defenses may not to eliminate all of them.

I live in middle missouri by a certain air force base and could tell something was up today. Usually see base personal in town at restaurants. Did not see any out this evening

The real way to tell is by the number of pizzas delivered to the Pentagon.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 07:13
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...amd here's the view from the other side:
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:05
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RT’s music is ... er... dramatic.
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