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Britain sends "strong" message to Russia

Old 22nd Dec 2018, 17:39
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Britain sends "strong" message to Russia

In these Brexit times, I know there are some who still hanker for the good old "Rule Britannia" days of gunboat diplomacy--send in a warship to quell the troublesome natives . However , I would have thought Gavin Williamson could have done a little better than HMS Echo ( an oceanographic survey vessel with minimal combat capability) sent to show solidarity with Ukraine .

Putin must be quaking in his boots .
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You and I could threaten to go as a pair. That should do it.
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If you get really desperate, there's a couple of Pedalo's at Cleethorpes which can be brought out of deep winter servicing...
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Originally Posted by reds & greens View Post
Pedalo's
Point of Order: Inappropriate use of apostrophe.
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Well it is called Gunboat Diplomacy for a reason.

There is a "gun" of some sort on that vessel surely.....at least a Very Pistol....right?
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Originally Posted by Phantom Driver View Post
In these Brexit times, I know there are some who still hanker for the good old "Rule Britannia" days of gunboat diplomacy--send in a warship to quell the troublesome natives . However , I would have thought Gavin Williamson could have done a little better than HMS Echo ( an oceanographic survey vessel with minimal combat capability) sent to show solidarity with Ukraine .

Putin must be quaking in his boots .
In diplomatic terms it is a great choice.

As half the world's taxi drivers are better armed it can't credibly be called 'armed provocation' etc. yet if Russia interfere with it in any way they are plainly attacking the UK Navy which they might be keen to avoid . ..

I'd say it's diplomatic chess at it's best.
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I'd say it's diplomatic chess at it's best.
Another Point of Order: it’s “its”, not “it’s”!
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I'd say it's diplomatic chess at it's best.
Another Point of Order: it’s “its”, not “it’s”!
It's only the second one that is incorrect
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Originally Posted by eckhard View Post


Another Point of Order: it’s “its”, not “it’s”!
Oh no it isn't !
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Withdraw my last comment.
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Ahhhh yes, another farcial example

NATO’s tanks fleet shows firepower near Russian border

Battle Groups Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland participated in exercise Iron Tomahawk in the Camp Adazi Training Area outside Riga and near the Russian border.
According to officials of the NATO enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group Latvia, this tank concentration showcased the firepower, interoperability, and lethality of heavy armour capability along its Eastern flank.

QUAKING IN YOUR BOOTS YET PUTIN ???????

In exercises took part 17 tanks, included modern Abrams, Leopard-2, Challenger-2, and Polish PT-91 Twardy.

THAT'LL BE A NO THEN!!

https://defence-blog.com/army/natos-...an-border.html
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Mr Putin, the Royal Navy "gunboat" has arrived - Be Afraid!
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HMS Endurance's regional presence successfully maintained control of the Falklands and South Georgia. She was a survey vessel. Look what happened in 1982 when the government announced her withdrawal....
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Ah, but she was armed with the mighty Westland Wasp and the redoubtable Tony E!

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Echo is an ideal choice; the ship is non-escalators in its presence and also its deployment is a function of surface unit availability.

Moreover (and I’ll get more than tedious here) she is limited to 21 days in the Black Sea and constitutes part of the non-Black Sea aggregate tonnage allowed under the Convention of the Régime of the Straits, better known as the Montreux Convention 1936. This Convention not only limits non-littoral States tonnages and duration, it imposes limits on types (aircraft carriers and submarines are prohibited) and all movements are notified in English and French to States party to the convention, by the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

In this case, the UK - as part of NATO - can send a relatively small, but very capable vessel, into the Black Sea, but gives wiggle-room to send more and larger vessels if the need arises.

The Montreux Convention is a very effective balance of power document; it reduces risk of external escalation.
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The Captain probably carries a baseball bat under his command station..............

It's probably very very good at measuring the water depth but the only message it sends is that the Royal Navy is a bit short of real warships...................... and overstocked with PR people
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
......Battle Groups Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland participated in exercise Iron Tomahawk in the Camp Adazi Training Area outside Riga and near the Russian border.
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In exercises took part 17 tanks, included modern Abrams, Leopard-2, Challenger-2, and Polish PT-91 Twardy.
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Sounds quite frightening and scary, indeed

There is an old joke on this matter:
General staff of one of the (above) Baltic superpowers is planning an offensive at Russia.
"And the tanks will attack from the left flank" - suggests one of the generals. "All of them at once?" asks another one. "No, first will go No. 1 and a minute later - No. 2".
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We haven't got too many navy ships to spare; it would probably either be 'too cold' for a Type 45 or they wouldn't have the right fuel for it.
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Echo is an ideal choice; the ship is non-escalators in its presence and also its deployment is a function of surface unit availability.
Also stated as "lack of availability".

Can a Dry Dock be deployed to the Black Sea under the terms of the Treaty?
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