AFPRB 2019

[Lima Juliet]

Originally Posted by unclenelli

The figures in this years report for 2018 are 0.9% lower than was published & "recommended" last year, so we only actually get 2% above last year, the extra 0.9% - we've already had!!!!!
(See what I said above #29, at least better than my predicted 1.5%!!)
I'm leaving at the end of Aug, so at least now I get an additional small paypacket at the end of Sept , when I get my backdated pay!!!

So yet again we are below:
Police 2.5%
Teachers 2.75%
Medics 2.5%
(Unless they too have smoke & mirrors in effect)

I’m not sure of your logic there fella? It was 2% last year in 2018 with a 0.9% ‘bonus’ - which was the same as, for example, the Police, but they did not get a 0.9% ‘bonus’ payment on top. This year, 2019, we get 2.9% (no bonus, so all pensionable) and that is still better than the Police who get 2.5%, medics who get 2.5% and teachers who get 2.75% this year?

I really hope that you are not leaving the Service on the Fake News you have just espoused??

[SwitchMonkey]

Originally Posted by Lima Juliet

I’m not sure of your logic there fella? It was 2% last year in 2018 with a 0.9% ‘bonus’ - which was the same as, for example, the Police, but they did not get a 0.9% ‘bonus’ payment on top. This year, 2019, we get 2.9% (no bonus, so all pensionable) and that is still better than the Police who get 2.5%, medics who get 2.5% and teachers who get 2.75% this year?

I really hope that you are not leaving the Service on the Fake News you have just espoused??

I think I get the point being made above.

i). In an ideal world where the previous year's 0.9% was part of core pay rise our 2019 pay would be: 100x1.029x1.029=105.8841

ii). Since the 0.9% was a bonus, our 2019 pay is a 2.9% increase on the sum before bonus: 100x1.02x1.029=104.958

iii). Rearranging the maths, given we did get paid 2.9% extra last year (as a one-off), you could look at it that we got: 100x1.029x1.02=104.958

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I'm sure there's someone with actual knowledge who will prove me wrong, I'm a simple pilot and can just about cope with this maths whilst keeping my socks on.

As far as I understand it, I get paid more this year year than I did last year but not as much more as would have been the case if the 2018 AFPRB recommendation had been fully accepted.

Do I feel that there was a bit of smoke & mirror action going on last year? Yes.

Does it look the the AFPRB have picked up on this and made some fairly pointed comments? Absolutely!

(And don't worry, I'm not missing the point that the Police got 100x1.02x1.025 = less than we did.)

[Willard Whyte]

'scuse my ignorance but I was living under a figurative rock between 2012 and '19. I'm back in on the PA spine but I'm just curious as to how the new tier 1/2 & rate 1 - 7 flying pay works vs. the old initial/middle/top/enhanced rates.

[Lima Juliet]

Originally Posted by Willard Whyte

'scuse my ignorance but I was living under a figurative rock between 2012 and '19. I'm back in on the PA spine but I'm just curious as to how the new tier 1/2 & rate 1 - 7 flying pay works vs. the old initial/middle/top/enhanced rates.

Basically you get Tier 1 (about £4,250) from start of flying training plus 6 years and then at OCU+6 years you go onto Tier 2 which starts at around £14k and then annually increments up to £20k. Plus also, at OCU+7 you get a £70k retention payment with a 6 year return of service (which in most cases will take you to the new Early Departure point of 20/40). If you tot it all up then you get more than the old scheme paid out - but for the youngsters it seems like ‘jam tomorrow’, which it is, but a lot more jam than before in total.

Get on MODnet and look for 2017DIN01-050 for more details.

[Willard Whyte]

Thanks, away from home base, and MODnet access, for a while at the mo' but I'll check it out when I get back later this year.

[PPRuNeUser0211]

Originally Posted by Lima Juliet

Plus also, at OCU+7 you get a £70k retention payment with a 6 year return of service (which in most cases will take you to the new Early Departure point of 20/40).

Unless you spend, say, 3 or so years total holding in the training system.... But that would never happen!

[Lima Juliet]

Originally Posted by Willard Whyte

Thanks, away from home base, and MODnet access, for a while at the mo' but I'll check it out when I get back later this year.

If you are on Defence Connect on the Defence Gateway then you can find the DINs posted on there - try the RAF Diaspora site or “The Crew Room” as I’m pretty sure both are hosting the info.

[Lima Juliet]

Originally Posted by pba_target

Unless you spend, say, 3 or so years total holding in the training system.... But that would never happen!

It would need to be 7 years plus prior to OCU completion for that to affect - but you can always ask Career Management to move your EDP Option by a few months if required?

[VinRouge]

Originally Posted by Lima Juliet

It would need to be 7 years plus prior to OCU completion for that to affect - but you can always ask Career Management to move your EDP Option by a few months if required?

you increasingly cut yourself off to a later second career and 3 year 12%+ pay settlements though....

not to mention what your marginal tax rate will look like the year of your 70k fri.

[unclenelli]

Originally Posted by SwitchMonkey

I think I get the point being made above.

i). In an ideal world where the previous year's 0.9% was part of core pay rise our 2019 pay would be: 100x1.029x1.029=105.8841

ii). Since the 0.9% was a bonus, our 2019 pay is a 2.9% increase on the sum before bonus: 100x1.02x1.029=104.958

iii). Rearranging the maths, given we did get paid 2.9% extra last year (as a one-off), you could look at it that we got: 100x1.029x1.02=104.958

.
I'm sure there's someone with actual knowledge who will prove me wrong, I'm a simple pilot and can just about cope with this maths whilst keeping my socks on.

As far as I understand it, I get paid more this year year than I did last year but not as much more as would have been the case if the 2018 AFPRB recommendation had been fully accepted.

Do I feel that there was a bit of smoke & mirror action going on last year? Yes.

Does it look the the AFPRB have picked up on this and made some fairly pointed comments? Absolutely!

(And don't worry, I'm not missing the point that the Police got 100x1.02x1.025 = less than we did.)

Switch Monkey, you got it in one. The starting point for this year was behind the finishing point of last year. The 0.9% bonus was "borrowed" from 2019 aka an advance of pay which has now been paid back in full.
(And I'm leaving injured)