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Old 18th Aug 2018, 18:35
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Dreadful, un-officery behaviour? Or a bit of fun. Hopefully the latter- not seeing the RMP (probably SIB) being 'a fun lot' though.

Waterboarding, Sandhurst style.

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Edit: relevance: the (alleged) victim has a Weber
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 19:08
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Looks to be in the 'dreadful' category, so nothing to do with officer training or fun.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 19:16
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The circles on the Venn diagram for ‘hi jinx’ and ‘waterboarding’ don’t meet.

Still - judgement reserved in absence of facts.
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 20:42
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Non-story about 1/2 a tea cup...

OCdt Petal cries foul and the RMP lap it up as a real crime for them to play superheroes.

OCdt Petal, or mother of, doesn’t get their own way so calls the Currant Bun...which, last time I looked is against the Rules. RMAS machine goes into lockdown.

(Allegedly)

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Old 18th Aug 2018, 21:48
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So where's the second half of the story, the bit with a cricket bat, two heads and four crushed nuts?
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You rang......?
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...or another Chivenor incident...
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'...or another Chivenor incident... '
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Ok, I'll bite - what Chivenor incident?
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 10:52
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Beer, lighter fluid, flying suit, navigator. Fill-in the gaps yourself.
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...which was probably a bit messier and more painful than this current social mejia age non-story.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 14:08
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I wonder what techniques Plod will employ in their efforts to get to the bottom of this?
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 14:10
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I wonder what techniques Plod will employ in their efforts to get to the bottom of this?
I wonder if the accused have their hearing checks up to date.

That was my experience of RAF police interrogation methods in the 80's.

Sorry what's that you said?
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 15:37
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Re. the Chivenor incident of 29 years ago:

As posted by my old chum Flying Lawyer:

The three defendants and the injured man were all RAF officers attending a party to celebrate the completion of flying training.

Although it was accepted that the defendants had not intended to cause injury, they were court martialled and convicted of inflicting GBH contrary to s. 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861.

The Court Martial Appeal Court (as the Court of Appeal Criminal Division is called when dealing with Service cases) held that the judge-advocate should have directed the court martial to consider whether the injured man gave his consent as a willing participant to the activities in question, or whether the appellants may have believed that he did.

Their convictions were quashed.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 17:28
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o consider whether the injured man gave his consent as a willing participant to the activities in question, or whether the appellants may have believed that he did.
I believe that today that defence is invalid.
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 18:03
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Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
Non-story about 1/2 a tea cup...

OCdt Petal cries foul and the RMP lap it up as a real crime for them to play superheroes.

OCdt Petal, or mother of, doesn’t get their own way so calls the Currant Bun...which, last time I looked is against the Rules. RMAS machine goes into lockdown.

(Allegedly)
I just want to check, waterboarding was used as an ‘enhanced interrogation’ technique to try and make terrorists talk, but “OCdt Petal” is over-reacting?

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Old 19th Aug 2018, 18:44
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I just want to check, waterboarding was used as an ‘enhanced interrogation’ technique to try and make terrorists talk, but “OCdt Petal” is over-reacting?

Quite! If a bunch of cadets agree to try it out on each other (I don't know why they would), and it went too far, that's one thing. If 2 cadets jump a third, restrain him, and water board him until they think enough's enough- mm not looking so good for them...

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Old 19th Aug 2018, 19:11
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Simply put, I joined as an Airman in July ‘81 & was lucky enough to be commissioned in August ‘85. As an Airman it was ‘Wanton damage’, as an Officer ‘High Spirits’!
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Shame they didn't take such a robust view of the goings on at the Army Foundation College!
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Old 19th Aug 2018, 21:19
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Pretty sure I was waterboarded outside the Animal House with Keo and Brandy Sours - just my recollection is a bit hazy....
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Old 20th Aug 2018, 08:08
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" I wonder if the accused have their hearing checks up to date.

That was my experience of RAF police interrogation methods in the 80's.

Sorry what's that you said
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Ah, they had clearly changed their questioning techniques from the "softly softly " approach in the 70's, possibly because asking such inane questions as "do you know what an M.U is ?.....well sort of as I'm based on one...."why are your jeans faded ?"..erm, it's the current fashion perhaps " how often do you shower ?".....depends on how often I get covered in fuel and PRC doing Lightning fuel leaks really....quite frequently actually....and "why do you have bulk soap powder and soap / shampoo supplies "?...living out of a suitcase in a transit block every day may give you a clue here...... didn't really work that well. The immortal words of C/T Ben C of 71 MU infamy ( banned from at least 3 Messes ) come to mind here " don't sign anything......pause....and don't deck them ! "

I got the impression they had finally realised their error when the F/S plod took exception to being called.... sunshine
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