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Russia's new nuclear torpedo aimed at taking out carrier groups

Old 25th Jul 2018, 18:25
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is a reliable time-fuse not available, to allow the sub to retire quietly?
If there's enough time for the sub to escape, there's enough time for the defenders to find and eliminate the torpedo.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 18:45
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If there's enough time for the sub to escape, there's enough time for the defenders to find and eliminate the torpedo.
If they even know it’s arrived! And what time-line would be needed to discover, locate, comprehend threat, assemble EOD teams, work out how to get into it, unravel fuses and anti-handling devices .... the sub would be home in Vladivostok by then!!
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 19:00
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So....let's skip to the fine print shall we.

Russia nukes a Fleet Anchorage of the US Navy.

We in response....do what?

Wring our Hands and cry about it not being fair or something?

Face it....any use of a Nuke and we shall be emptying Silos and Boomers of their contents straight back at them.

The Russians are not stupid people.
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 19:07
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If they even know itís arrived! And what time-line would be needed to discover, locate, comprehend threat, assemble EOD teams, work out how to get into it, unravel fuses and anti-handling devices .... the sub would be home in Vladivostok by then!!
Torpedos are noisy and easy to detect and track. Also easy to locate on the bottom of a shallow harbor. US Navy has dolphins trained to do that. As for an EOD team, why bother? Set off the conventional explosive in the warhead. The US Navy has trained seals (not SEALs) trained to do just that. Then recover the nuclear package at your leisure.
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SASless ... excuse me. WHO did that? Was it Russia, China, NoK, Iran ... who owns the fireball on that particular day? “Kill everybody!!”

KenV ... glad there’s a 365/24 watch on all the Mil ports on our side of the new Cold Wall, even without a declaration of ‘intent’ Remember Pearl Harbor?
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Old 25th Jul 2018, 19:14
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SASless ... excuse me. WHO did that? Was it Russia, China, NoK, Iran ... who owns the fireball on that particular day? “Kill everybody!!”

KanV ... glad there’s a 365/24 watch on all the Mil ports on our side of the new Cold Wall
Me thinks such an attack would not come out of the blue. There'd be a LOT of posturing, saber rattling, and military/political intrigue leading up to such an event. Pearl Harbor was predictable had there been the military and political will to do it. The US is not remotely as naive and ill prepared as it was in 1940/41. Nuking a USN anchorage is orders of magnitude more serious than Pearl Harbor was.
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Apologies for updating my post!

International tension would undoubtedly be a precursor to offensive action. Where that line is drawn depends on the sanity of Putin, Trump, an Ayatollah and a fat kid who inherited a country.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:34
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My response to KenV got lost. While some torpedoes such as the lightweight ones can be noisy at high speed it does not follow that all torpedoes are noisy. There are also other means of detection.

Other issues are the self damage to the delivery vessel, how to navigate the torpedo to its target, being certain that the fleet is active in the target area.

The delivery vessel would vulnerable to prior destruction unless use of the torpedo was the first enemy action.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:53
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As if dolphins with freakin’ [email protected] weren’t enough, we now have to worry about torpedoes making pre-emptive nuclear strikes on our ports and anchorages to take out our carrier battle groups? Just wait until they can program UUVs tipped with nuclear warheads to navigate our sewer systems. No city will be safe.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 23:10
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Torpedos are noisy and easy to detect and track.
Well you might wonder if [in the decades since your experiences] that things may [or equally, may not have] moved on a bit since your time.

However it would be wise not to generalise on evidence from the past when considering the unknown present or even future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 00:56
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Why a Torpedo?

Why not just a sail boat or small fishing boat?

Or...a humble Taxi used to haul Sailors from the Ship to the Whore Houses//Bars downtown.....errr.....to the Christian Reading Rooms downtown?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 17:50
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Or bring it in with the diplomatic mail and leave it behind as you close down the Embassy and head home as tensions rise
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 19:05
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Against a floaty thing torpedoes have many advantages though not a few disadvantages. Against a land target and with a nuclear warhead they offer very few advantages and many disadvantages.

Of the first, they avoid SAM, Radars and AAA. However delivery is slow, the subject is vulnerable for days not minutes, and simple counter measures may counter a torpedo.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 20:09
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Or bring it in with the diplomatic mail and leave it behind as you close down the Embassy and head home as tensions rise
Like they are not already in place.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 20:39
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Yup





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