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Scampton And Linton-on-Ouse Closure

Old 9th Jul 2020, 21:14
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DIO ‘own’ everything so they take over keys etc possibly also sub-contacting care and maintenance if awaiting disposal of site. Every closedown is a ‘project’ and has to be funded and managed like any other DIO business.
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 15:45
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Here's an interesting snippet picked up off FaceAche...

A mixture of poor weather forecasted for RAF Waddington and the ongoing need to maintain operations by other fleets at the station means there is no longer sufficient time to conduct a planned trial of the Red Arrows operating from the base.
The activity is now postponed to 2021.


So, what we have is a firm decision to move RAFAT to Waddo
Then we get a "trial" of said move to see if it works,
followed by a cancellation of said trial due in part to what is going on at Waddington with other operations.

Wasn't this sort of flustercluck predicted on here a few years ago?
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Old 9th Dec 2020, 16:19
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Well having the Reds at Cranwell from 1986 worked well.

NOT!

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Old 9th Dec 2020, 20:34
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Is Barkston Heath usable by the Reds?
 
Old 9th Dec 2020, 22:33
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Barkston is currently EFTS for the Pongoes and Fish-heads, so no.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 05:26
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I was surprised but then again no, to here about Waddington being chosen to house the Red Arrows.

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Old 10th Dec 2020, 09:07
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A mixture of poor weather forecasted for RAF Waddington and the ongoing need to maintain operations by other fleets at the station means there is no longer sufficient time to conduct a planned trial of the Red Arrows operating from the base.
The activity is now postponed to 2021.
One may suggest that the Trial is complete.

Recommendation: Waddington is unfit for RAFAT Operations due to poor weather factor and incompatibility with Front Line Operations.

Further Recommendation: RAFAT to continue operations from RAF Scampton until the Out of Service of the Hawk T1. Then further decision to be made!
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 11:50
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Here's a radical thought: Why not keep Scampton open, and co-locate the BBMF there too? It could become the RAFs display team 'centre of excellence,' with the advantage of being based on an historic airfield (not saying that Coningsby isn't, btw,) The costs could be offset by expanding the Scampton Memorial Collection (?) to encompass the set up currently at Coningsby and encouraging people to visit THE one and only RAF Display Team station. Damn it, they could even house the BBMF in the original 617 hangar! Spotters/enthusiasts/historians et al could have the best of both worlds, and I would suggest that Scampton is better placed, geographically and transport-wise, for the majority of people to visit.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 12:32
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Trumpet, Why would you think that the Air Board would do something so sensible.

It would of course mean that the BBMF Fighter Pilots would have to travel to Scampton. Oh dear!!

It would also enable HHA to continue operations both commercial and display. They even have a few interesting aircraft from the Cold War that the public may be interested in.
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 18:44
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I live fairly close to Waddington (2 miles).It does not seem that busy to me, a Sentry got airbourne yesterday (a rare treat) plus the usual R1s . Hard to see how the Reds could not fit in!
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 18:50
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Originally Posted by Trumpet trousers View Post
Here's a radical thought: Why not keep Scampton open, and co-locate the BBMF there too? It could become the RAFs display team 'centre of excellence,' with the advantage of being based on an historic airfield (not saying that Coningsby isn't, btw,) The costs could be offset by expanding the Scampton Memorial Collection (?) to encompass the set up currently at Coningsby and encouraging people to visit THE one and only RAF Display Team station. Damn it, they could even house the BBMF in the original 617 hangar! Spotters/enthusiasts/historians et al could have the best of both worlds, and I would suggest that Scampton is better placed, geographically and transport-wise, for the majority of people to visit.

or just move to Leeming for a fraction of the cost.....
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Old 10th Dec 2020, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Dominator2 View Post
Trumpet, Why would you think that the Air Board would do something so sensible.

It would of course mean that the BBMF Fighter Pilots would have to travel to Scampton. Oh dear!!

It would also enable HHA to continue operations both commercial and display. They even have a few interesting aircraft from the Cold War that the public may be interested in.
And with the IWM doing its best to piss off the civvie warbird operators at DX......(who are also contracted to do work for BBMF fleet) providing an alternative location to IWM (and display venue) could also be possible option as well....

All far too sensible though.

UK doesn't do sensible or logical.

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Old 10th Dec 2020, 19:05
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I live fairly close to Waddington (2 miles).It does not seem that busy to me, a Sentry got airbourne yesterday (a rare treat) plus the usual R1s . Hard to see how the Reds could not fit in!
Because they will demand no aircraft movements 15 mins before to 15 mins after both a Reds take off and Reds landing. Oh and they will fly 2 sorties a day.

I reiterate, we tried this lunacy at Cranwell in 1996 - 2000. It didn't work then, it won't work now.
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Old 11th Dec 2020, 02:24
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I know what you’re saying about how the Reds will be very disruptive and I sympathise with any collocated operators.

I think you do the team a disservice though by saying they demand a sanitised airfield. It is the nature of their flying task that demands it.

I know everyone likes to believe that they are all a bunch of jumped up prima donnas. Whilst that may once have been true (I don’t know, I wasn’t there) it cannot be said to be the case nowadays.

For them to do a 9 ship take off, display and recovery it is safety that demands a sanitised airfield, not ego.

As for the Waddington debate I guess there isn’t one. The plan is to move them to there and no amount of gnashing of teeth on here will change that.

We all know it may be beset with problems and the decision may yet get reversed or they may end up moving again in the near future but it won’t be because of anything we say!

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Old 11th Dec 2020, 06:22
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Of course when the Reds do move up the road, life at Waddington will be quieter. The Sentinel will be gone and if the rumours are true about the Wedgetail then maybe even less movements!
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Old 11th Dec 2020, 09:46
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Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2 View Post
Because they will demand no aircraft movements 15 mins before to 15 mins after both a Reds take off and Reds landing. Oh and they will fly 2 sorties a day.

I reiterate, we tried this lunacy at Cranwell in 1996 - 2000. It didn't work then, it won't work now.
Are those restrictions truly what the RAFAT asks for. I completed the CFS course at Scampton when the Reds were there and I don't recall the restrictions being that bad.
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Old 11th Dec 2020, 10:04
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Are those restrictions truly what the RAFAT asks for. I completed the CFS course at Scampton when the Reds were there and I don't recall the restrictions being that bad.
Yes...they used them at Waddington when they boltholed there back in the 90s. They also used to demand a rolling runway closure when they were waiting for weather to improve, so even if you were able to plan a later ISTAR launch, you often discovered that it had changed when you crewed in and tried to taxi for a sortie (usually leading to all of the other assets that you were working with also having to delay - if you were able to ask them in time of course). Remember that ISTAR aircraft usually have to work with other units and it is not just Waddington aircraft and ground sites that get hacked off by the airfield closures! Changing ISTAR mission times at even a day's notice was not very simple! It would have helped had the display team fitted in with the Waddington ISTAR schedule, but that is not what happened, and the tail wagged the dog on many occasions.
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Old 11th Dec 2020, 10:13
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Times change

It would appear some posters are basing their knowledge on events from 30 years ago.

Does anyone here know if RAFAT have indicated that the requirement highlighted is likely to still be extant?

Is it possible that some people let a bee buzz around their bonnet for years and can never actually accept that things change or that in fact their judgment may have been clouded by a potentially inaccurate preconception?

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Old 11th Dec 2020, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
It would appear some posters are basing their knowledge on events from 30 years ago.

Does anyone here know if RAFAT have indicated that the requirement highlighted is likely to still be extant?

Is it possible that some people let a bee buzz around their bonnet for years and can never actually accept that things change or that in fact their judgment may have been clouded by a potentially inaccurate preconception?

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Dude, it amazes me you have the gall to still post around here with a measured tone and some common sense. Why haven't you been banned yet?
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Old 11th Dec 2020, 11:53
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Wonderful memories of Linton in '67:

Fire extinguisher fights in the accommodation blocks
Illicit rifle range in the basement
Brake fade in the Ford Popular requiring the use of airbrakes (rearward opening doors) to slow down
Night flying with gosseneck flarepath
Smell of cordite on start-up (second best smell in the world!)
Bouncing another Chippy over Pilmoor Junction only to find it was the Staish doing a spin/aeros check with the CFI - OOPS!!
Winning the aeros trophy without a fly-off a few days later
Green Dragon (?) at Marton cum Grafton

Final landing in a Chiippy - "OK Mogwi, show me a short landing". Approached at 45 kts, hanging on the prop and chopped the power as I crossed the threshold - then realised that I was about 4' too high! Obvious remedial action was to shout "Oh sh1t!" as the aircraft dropped rapidly onto the piano keys with a bone-crunching thump before kangarooing back into the air. My application of brake during this brief period of ballistic flight resulted in such retardation on the subsequent touchdown that the tail came well and truly off the deck before crunching back down again.

I was able to taxy directly off onto the peri-track without back-tracking and the first comment from the CFI came as we were approaching dispersal. He merely said "Well Mogwi, that was certainly the shortest landing I have ever seen in the Chipmunk"

Heady days!

Mog

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