UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'
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Originally Posted by Rhino power
I assume you're referring to the drivel that was in the media about the QE class carriers running XP just because a screen aboard the ship was seen with the XP screensaver on it? Nothing could be further from the truth, but then, facts should never get in the way of an ill informed comment should they...
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Does Britain's Big New Warship Still Run Windows XP?
HMS Queen Elizabeth is impressive. Her software is not.
Jun 28, 2017
HMS Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Navy's newest vessel and the largest one ever built in the United Kingdom, is an impressive ship. Nine hundred and nineteen feet long with a crew of 1,600, the ship can carry up to 40 aircraft. Queen Elizabeth and her sister ship, Prince of Wales, will form the UK's main expeditionary force at sea, sailing into hotspots with their decks full of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.
Oh, and Queen Elizabeth also runs Windows XP.
The brand new carrier left its dockyard in Rosyth for the first time on Monday, where it was assembled from subsections built all over the UK. The London-based newspaper The Guardian reported that computers running the positively ancient PC operating system were spotted on the carrier during a tour.
Update: There has been some speculation that the Queen Elizabeth won't be running XP when it becomes fully operational in 2026, and that these claims are overblown.
HMS Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Navy's newest vessel and the largest one ever built in the United Kingdom, is an impressive ship. Nine hundred and nineteen feet long with a crew of 1,600, the ship can carry up to 40 aircraft. Queen Elizabeth and her sister ship, Prince of Wales, will form the UK's main expeditionary force at sea, sailing into hotspots with their decks full of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.
Oh, and Queen Elizabeth also runs Windows XP.
The brand new carrier left its dockyard in Rosyth for the first time on Monday, where it was assembled from subsections built all over the UK. The London-based newspaper The Guardian reported that computers running the positively ancient PC operating system were spotted on the carrier during a tour.
Update: There has been some speculation that the Queen Elizabeth won't be running XP when it becomes fully operational in 2026, and that these claims are overblown.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a27108/hms-queen-elizabeth-windows-xp/
Another recent report:
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HMS Windows XP: Britain's newest warship running Swiss Cheese OS
Spotted on carrier control room screens - reports
By Gareth Corfield 27 Jun 2017 at 13:52
Updated The Royal Navy’s brand new £3.5bn aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is currently* running Windows XP in her flying control room, according to reports.
Defence correspondents from The Times and The Guardian, when being given a tour of the carrier’s aft island – the rear of the two towers protruding above the ship’s main deck – spotted Windows XP apparently in the process of booting up on one of the screens in the flying control room, or Flyco.
“A computer screen inside a control room on HMS Queen Elizabeth was displaying Microsoft Windows XP – copyright 1985 to 2001 – when a group of journalists was given a tour of the £3 billion warship last week,” reported Deborah Haynes of The Times, accurately describing the copyright information on the XP loading screen.
Updated The Royal Navy’s brand new £3.5bn aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is currently* running Windows XP in her flying control room, according to reports.
Defence correspondents from The Times and The Guardian, when being given a tour of the carrier’s aft island – the rear of the two towers protruding above the ship’s main deck – spotted Windows XP apparently in the process of booting up on one of the screens in the flying control room, or Flyco.
“A computer screen inside a control room on HMS Queen Elizabeth was displaying Microsoft Windows XP – copyright 1985 to 2001 – when a group of journalists was given a tour of the £3 billion warship last week,” reported Deborah Haynes of The Times, accurately describing the copyright information on the XP loading screen.
If the government is REALLY prepared to 'go it alone' and provide all the necessary resources to deliver such a programme then I applaud such an initiative.
Originally Posted by melmothtw
It's not - in its 36 pages the Combat Air Strategy mentions partners 85 times. Saab currently sitting on the fence and weighing up its options, but I wouldn't bet against future involvement from them and perhaps even Airbus (they were certainly very positive about the programme today).
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Who's to say there is even going to be an RAF in 2035 the way the down sizing is going on?
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Here's an update from articles last month saying that XP may be gone (an upgrade to Windows 7 perhaps?) when and if the carrier becomes operational in 2026:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a27108/hms-queen-elizabeth-windows-xp/
Another recent report:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/27/hms_queen_elizabeth_running_windows_xp/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/new-...un-windows-xp/
No way off the shelf Windows XP would be bought by MOD.....they would have to forego paying BAE and others Zillions of Pounds to create proprietary software that doesn't work......hang on a mo....isn't that what Microsoft is so damn good at doing?
A purely UK product?
Not with Leonardo on board. I wonder how that's going to work out, post Brexit?
Not with Leonardo on board. I wonder how that's going to work out, post Brexit?
Windows
In 1997, if you'd looked at the Sea King AEW Mk7 development rig you'd have seen the 'Windows 98' logo when booting up.
Does that mean in 21 years MoD has advanced four years?
Does that mean in 21 years MoD has advanced four years?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reminiscent of the EAP prior to Typhoon?
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-...t-gen-fighter/
“........The Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative, or FCAS TI, contract to develop the technologies is being delivered over 10 years, which is expected to be followed by a more production-focused initiative. While the program is being delivered by a team of British companies, all the parties stressed that the team is looking for partners, be it at the TI stage or later on in the program.......
FCAS TI essentially replaces the Anglo-French FCAS program that kicked off in 2014, although Air Cmdr. Linc Taylor, assistant chief of staff of capability for combat air for the Royal Air Force, stressed that work with France is still very much a priority of the U.K. “This leverages some really strong work we are doing with France,” Taylor said........
A number of demonstrators will be used by the Tempest team to test different aspects of the design, according to Michael Christie, strategy director at BAE Systems, who added that development will begin immediately now that the combat air strategy contract has been signed. He also said some existing demonstrators are being used and that wind tunnel testing has been underway since the beginning of the year to help determine the aerodynamic properties needed from the design.
Bone, meanwhile, noted Leonardo UK hopes a flying demonstrator will begin tests in the mid-2020s.......
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-...t-gen-fighter/
“........The Future Combat Air System Technology Initiative, or FCAS TI, contract to develop the technologies is being delivered over 10 years, which is expected to be followed by a more production-focused initiative. While the program is being delivered by a team of British companies, all the parties stressed that the team is looking for partners, be it at the TI stage or later on in the program.......
FCAS TI essentially replaces the Anglo-French FCAS program that kicked off in 2014, although Air Cmdr. Linc Taylor, assistant chief of staff of capability for combat air for the Royal Air Force, stressed that work with France is still very much a priority of the U.K. “This leverages some really strong work we are doing with France,” Taylor said........
A number of demonstrators will be used by the Tempest team to test different aspects of the design, according to Michael Christie, strategy director at BAE Systems, who added that development will begin immediately now that the combat air strategy contract has been signed. He also said some existing demonstrators are being used and that wind tunnel testing has been underway since the beginning of the year to help determine the aerodynamic properties needed from the design.
Bone, meanwhile, noted Leonardo UK hopes a flying demonstrator will begin tests in the mid-2020s.......
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This is mocked-up from a Tonka wreck? Certainly looks like they nicked the undercart. Hmmm, one pie-in-the-sky after another. Presume this will be carrier capable? 
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Originally Posted by VX275
If the F-35 was the Dave can I suggest this is called Bruce. Look at that chin and the smug look, Bruce Forsyth reincarnate.
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Better tell your kids/grand kids to forget the dreams of being a fighter pilot . The Machines are coming to take over .....
Grandson aged 13 wants to be an engineer. Nephew now in RN training to be a nuclear propulsion engineer. Another nephew wants a Cyber apprenticeship. A nephews rejected RAF option and is now with easyJet. We have a niece 19 looking at RAF but not AFAIK aircrew.
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Are we copying the Chinese now?
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FCAS TI essentially replaces the Anglo-French FCAS program that kicked off in 2014, although Air Cmdr. Linc Taylor, assistant chief of staff of capability for combat air for the Royal Air Force, stressed that work with France is still very much a priority of the U.K. “This leverages some really strong work we are doing with France,” Taylor said........
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Originally Posted by Onceapilot
Hopefully, the "really strong work" with France will not involve a one-way techno-transfer, followed by an underhand...Non!
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Weren't the 50s amazing? A company that made the Stringbag creating a world speed record breaker? A company that made the Frightened producing the 188. A company making an aircraft slower than a train making the Buccaneer. Or English Electric. And I forgot Saunders Roe.
Of course there were also companies that remained true to type, Hawker, Supermarine, Avro and Shorts.
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