UK Minister calls for pay increase for servicemen
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Agree with above re medals - done to death on here. Believe me, there are places getting the medal and op allowance that are far less busier than the techs hut at Akrotiri.
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The Times: Military spending
Defence chiefs will have to fund any salary increases from cuts elsewhere, efficiency savings or deferrals, Stephen Lovegrove, a Ministry of Defence civil servant, told the MPs’ public accounts committee: “There is no indication from the Treasury that we would receive additional funds.” It would be the first pay rise for the forces in eight years.
Defence chiefs will have to fund any salary increases from cuts elsewhere, efficiency savings or deferrals, Stephen Lovegrove, a Ministry of Defence civil servant, told the MPs’ public accounts committee: “There is no indication from the Treasury that we would receive additional funds.” It would be the first pay rise for the forces in eight years.
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The Times: Military spending
Defence chiefs will have to fund any salary increases from cuts elsewhere, efficiency savings or deferrals, Stephen Lovegrove, a Ministry of Defence civil servant, told the MPs’ public accounts committee: “There is no indication from the Treasury that we would receive additional funds.” It would be the first pay rise for the forces in eight years.
Defence chiefs will have to fund any salary increases from cuts elsewhere, efficiency savings or deferrals, Stephen Lovegrove, a Ministry of Defence civil servant, told the MPs’ public accounts committee: “There is no indication from the Treasury that we would receive additional funds.” It would be the first pay rise for the forces in eight years.
can this Government do ANYTHING????
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This has interesting repercussions. The cost of living is far higher in the south than in the north; equally those posted in the south-east could claim they are entitled to a “London” or southern allowance.....
Daily Telegraph: Pay in the Armed Forces to be Greater in Scotland
The Armed Forces will be paid more for serving in Scotland, the head of personnel has suggested.
Lt. general Richard Nugee said that soldiers, sailors and airmen will have to be compensated for the higher tax burden north of the border. The MoD is “determined to do something to equalise tax” and make the burden as close in Edinburgh as it is in Westminster, he to.d the public accounts committee.
Daily Telegraph: Pay in the Armed Forces to be Greater in Scotland
The Armed Forces will be paid more for serving in Scotland, the head of personnel has suggested.
Lt. general Richard Nugee said that soldiers, sailors and airmen will have to be compensated for the higher tax burden north of the border. The MoD is “determined to do something to equalise tax” and make the burden as close in Edinburgh as it is in Westminster, he to.d the public accounts committee.
I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?
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I was in Lossie ops '75 -'78. With the explosion of the oil industry in Scotland, mostly Aberdeen, and the pay for a married TG9 SAC with two children not going far enough to properly keep my family, the rumoured North of Scotland allowance was eagerly anticipated but it never happened. At the time I was in receipt of FIS (Family Income Supplement) and rent rebate. In order to make ends meet I drove taxis (Aaron & Ross Anderson) occasionally drove Lossie trawler crews in a minibus to/from Ullapool and Lochinver. My Wife cleaned caravans at at Silver Sands caravan camp and worked in Dougies Fish and Chip shop in Hythe Hill. My boss, Sqn. Ldr Jock Urquhart even gave me a chit to permit me to take my unused nightshift rations (Eggs, Bacon, bread cheese and biscuits) home. On one memorable Christmas I had, with much planning bought a load of fish on tick from lossie fish market (80 Stone) and with aid of the lend of a van distributed the fish to the crew of the Brittania from Boscombe, thence into the Bomb bay of a Canberra from, IIRC, Binbrook and a large amount onto a Shack from 8Sqn. which then proceeded to Coningsby where a contact in the tower was waiting to exchange the fish for fresh Lincolnshire vegetables and chicken. These items were pre ordered by families at Lossie. I know that in these enlightened times my story will, I'm sure, appear to some to be just that, a story . However, it is true, and I'm not the only one who had to resort to such measures. Half the Mars Bars in the country were made by airmen from Uxbridge /LATCC Mil working with or without their bosses permission. I don't know how much the guy at Coningsby got for the fish, but after paying for the fish and a few cans for the loan of the van I came out with £34.00. Paid off the catalogue where the childrens presents were purchased and a few tins for me and some thing nice for my wife. It's called survival. Oh and thanks to Jock Urquhart and Paddy Brown, shortly after a much needed posting to Wildenrath, my promotion to Corporal was waiting in Bob Parrots safe in ops. That meant a cross posting to Bruggen where I eventually set the airfield on fire. But that's another story
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I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?
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Ever since they started quoting pay statements in the form ‘basic pay + X factor’ I’ve been suggesting that this is a precursor to reducing the latter (fewer operations, more stability of postings etc as the excuse). I raised it with some of the AFPRB a while ago, I was assured that X factor had never been reduced and there was no intention to do so......
I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?
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Ever since they started quoting pay statements in the form ‘basic pay + X factor’ I’ve been suggesting that this is a precursor to reducing the latter (fewer operations, more stability of postings etc as the excuse). I raised it with some of the AFPRB a while ago, I was assured that X factor had never been reduced and there was no intention to do so......
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[QUOTE=Ken Scott;10174489]<div style="text-align:left;">
Well, whatever happens, it will be too late. The current outflow of experience I suspect ,due primarily due to eroded pay, conditions and turning a lifestyle into a job is pretty bad and getting worse.
It's ok though, we are going to pump 20 billion into the NHS to keep geriatrics going a bit longer. Rome continues to burn.
[<br /><br />I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?<br />/QUOTE]<br /><br />Ever since they started quoting pay statements in the form ‘basic pay + X factor’ I’ve been suggesting that this is a precursor to reducing the latter (fewer operations, more stability of postings etc as the excuse). I raised it with some of the AFPRB a while ago, I was assured that X factor had never been reduced and there was no intention to do so......</div>
It's ok though, we are going to pump 20 billion into the NHS to keep geriatrics going a bit longer. Rome continues to burn.
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Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/news/health...land-1-4707126
https://www.scotsman.com/news/health...land-1-4707126
but it's okay though..
https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/wh...means-for-you/
"Almost 150,000 NHS staff in Scotland are to be given an immediate 3 per cent pay rise, Nicola Sturgeon has announced.
Nurses, midwives, therapists, paramedics and administrators earning up to £80,000 will receive the extra money in their pay packets from next month, she told the SNP conference in Aberdeen."
the SNP have it covered.
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Indeed, I can almost see a scenario where under NEM, as you point out, a 5 year posting or maybe flexible working disqualifies you from the full X-factor. In effect, extending FTRS terms to NEM, where the only people qualifying for it being those who are happy to be buggered around by the system just because it can - because that’s the rationale behind the X-factor.
But a word of warning. We are doing more with less. What used to be the thrashing of an deployed ops tempo is now routine day to day business. Strip out X-factor and pay only basic rate, people will walk because they will be able to earn far more at that rate for less hassle. It would also further erode pensions given that X-factor is pensionable.
Current serving personnel will just not tolerate a 14.5% pay cut with all its implications. The only way I can see any sub radical move working was by introducing it under the new joiner offer so only those joining up on new joiner Ts&Cs are affected. But for all our virtue signalling on equality, such a move would seem to be a fairly selective application of equality principles.
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I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?
/QUOTE]
Ever since they started quoting pay statements in the form ‘basic pay + X factor’ I’ve been suggesting that this is a precursor to reducing the latter (fewer operations, more stability of postings etc as the excuse). I raised it with some of the AFPRB a while ago, I was assured that X factor had never been reduced and there was no intention to do so......
I wonder if there’s any substance to a rumour I heard mid-week that it’s now going to be very late in the year before any announcement and speculation that X-factor and increments are being argued about again?
/QUOTE]
Ever since they started quoting pay statements in the form ‘basic pay + X factor’ I’ve been suggesting that this is a precursor to reducing the latter (fewer operations, more stability of postings etc as the excuse). I raised it with some of the AFPRB a while ago, I was assured that X factor had never been reduced and there was no intention to do so......
But a word of warning. We are doing more with less. What used to be the thrashing of an deployed ops tempo is now routine day to day business. Strip out X-factor and pay only basic rate, people will walk because they will be able to earn far more at that rate for less hassle. It would also further erode pensions given that X-factor is pensionable.
Current serving personnel will just not tolerate a 14.5% pay cut with all its implications. The only way I can see any sub radical move working was by introducing it under the new joiner offer so only those joining up on new joiner Ts&Cs are affected. But for all our virtue signalling on equality, such a move would seem to be a fairly selective application of equality principles.
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" people will walk because they will be able to earn far more at that rate for less hassle."
Actually I'm quite happy both earning and hassle--less!!
As a wise man once said
"life is too short for this ******* crap"
Actually I'm quite happy both earning and hassle--less!!
As a wise man once said
"life is too short for this ******* crap"
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Indeed, I can almost see a scenario where under NEM, as you point out, a 5 year posting or maybe flexible working disqualifies you from the full X-factor. In effect, extending FTRS terms to NEM, where the only people qualifying for it being those who are happy to be buggered around by the system just because it can - because that’s the rationale behind the X-factor.
But a word of warning. We are doing more with less. What used to be the thrashing of an deployed ops tempo is now routine day to day business. Strip out X-factor and pay only basic rate, people will walk because they will be able to earn far more at that rate for less hassle. It would also further erode pensions given that X-factor is pensionable.
Current serving personnel will just not tolerate a 14.5% pay cut with all its implications. The only way I can see any sub radical move working was by introducing it under the new joiner offer so only those joining up on new joiner Ts&Cs are affected. But for all our virtue signalling on equality, such a move would seem to be a fairly selective application of equality principles.
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Indeed, I can almost see a scenario where under NEM, as you point out, a 5 year posting or maybe flexible working disqualifies you from the full X-factor. In effect, extending FTRS terms to NEM, where the only people qualifying for it being those who are happy to be buggered around by the system just because it can - because that’s the rationale behind the X-factor.
But a word of warning. We are doing more with less. What used to be the thrashing of an deployed ops tempo is now routine day to day business. Strip out X-factor and pay only basic rate, people will walk because they will be able to earn far more at that rate for less hassle. It would also further erode pensions given that X-factor is pensionable.
Current serving personnel will just not tolerate a 14.5% pay cut with all its implications. The only way I can see any sub radical move working was by introducing it under the new joiner offer so only those joining up on new joiner Ts&Cs are affected. But for all our virtue signalling on equality, such a move would seem to be a fairly selective application of equality principles.
Now being slipped in (and having a greater proportional effect on the lower paid) is the prospect of the basic tax threshold being frozen from 2020 ; i.e.when inflation will probably be admitted to be ramping up again. In effect this will be another stealth tax, again hitting the lower income groups the hardest.
Now being slipped in (and having a greater proportional effect on the lower paid) is the prospect of the basic tax threshold being frozen from 2020 ; i.e.when inflation will probably be admitted to be ramping up again. In effect this will be another stealth tax, again hitting the lower income groups the hardest.
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Well, it certainly looks as though the signals from No10 are there to see. TMay quoted this week as refusing to confirm UKMil is a "Tier 1" military power. She also confirmed that UK Defence spending would remain at 2% GDP, not 2.??%, just 2%. Seems like it was just last year TMay pledged: " Ms May has announced a Conservative Government will both meet the two per cent target and “increase the defence budget by at least 0.5 per cent above inflation in every year of the new Parliament”.
The pledge matches the promise made by George Osborne in the Budget immediately after the 2015 election - extending it through to 2022."
Quote from The Independent, 2017.
Looks like Defence CUTS to me.
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The pledge matches the promise made by George Osborne in the Budget immediately after the 2015 election - extending it through to 2022."
Quote from The Independent, 2017.
Looks like Defence CUTS to me.
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Onceapilot,
After the devastating effects on the UK economy of Brexit are fact as opposed to being brushed under the carpet as "Project Fear," you can guarantee pretty substantial cuts to the defence budget for years to come.
After the devastating effects on the UK economy of Brexit are fact as opposed to being brushed under the carpet as "Project Fear," you can guarantee pretty substantial cuts to the defence budget for years to come.
JabbaTG12,
"Oh for heavens sake.... *eyeroll*"
So, you would have been happy with a post head line that said "UK Minister calls for pay increase for servicewomen" then?
Totally ignoring the existence of over 50% of the population, casual mysogyny personified.
"Oh for heavens sake.... *eyeroll*"
So, you would have been happy with a post head line that said "UK Minister calls for pay increase for servicewomen" then?
Totally ignoring the existence of over 50% of the population, casual mysogyny personified.