How Deep?
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How Deep?
This may sound odd but it has relevance to a possible project on which I am working. Does anyone out there have experience of recovering FJ wreckage that has impacted pretty hard in an area of peat-covered ground? I realise that the answer is probably the length of a piece of Pusser's twine but any insights into the difficulties likely to be encountered would be gratefully received.
I will be happy to PM more details to anyone willing to give advice. May not be able to do so for a couple of weeks though as the current Mrs Mog is taking me away on a trip.
Mog
I will be happy to PM more details to anyone willing to give advice. May not be able to do so for a couple of weeks though as the current Mrs Mog is taking me away on a trip.
Mog
Mog,
Channel 4s Time Team have done a couple of WW2 archaeology programmes, they always hook up with local Aviation Historical Research bods theres a couple of shows on Youtube:
"The Lancashire Aircraft Investigation Team, together with members of RAF Millom Museum took part in a major project in association with the Channel 4 Television's Time Team. 2005 near Warton".
They appear to have an association called the British Aviation Archaeological Council with an associated website.
Hope helpful. pp.
Channel 4s Time Team have done a couple of WW2 archaeology programmes, they always hook up with local Aviation Historical Research bods theres a couple of shows on Youtube:
"The Lancashire Aircraft Investigation Team, together with members of RAF Millom Museum took part in a major project in association with the Channel 4 Television's Time Team. 2005 near Warton".
They appear to have an association called the British Aviation Archaeological Council with an associated website.
Hope helpful. pp.
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Suggest you get in touch with JARTS at Wittering, the current term for the former 71 MU who had some considerable expertise in this area.
From personal experience, the engines tend to be remarkably intact, likewise the u/c . The rest tended to be in chunks, big and small.
From personal experience, the engines tend to be remarkably intact, likewise the u/c . The rest tended to be in chunks, big and small.
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I trust that you already know that you can't just go and dig for the jet and you need permission from the MOD first? (Granny sucking eggs and all that).
Details here... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/aviation-archaeology
Details here... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/aviation-archaeology
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Try registering and asking on the flypast forums, a lot have been involved in recoveries
https://forum.keypublishing.com/foru...toric-Aviation
https://forum.keypublishing.com/foru...toric-Aviation
I went to a talk by an accident investigator some years ago who mentioned a Jaguar which went into what was presumably soft ground. The instrument panel was found 40ft down.
I trust that you already know that you can't just go and dig for the jet and you need permission from the MOD first? (Granny sucking eggs and all that).
Details here... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/aviation-archaeology
Details here... https://www.gov.uk/guidance/aviation-archaeology
Excavations are licensed on the understanding that MOD may require the licensee to surrender all items recovered to the department without compensation.
- doesn't seem very sporting.
Mog, the Hunter T7 crash in June 93 Mr Wallace Cubitt and his Hawker Hunter T Mk.7 G-BTYL (formerly XL595) - aircrashsites.co.uk sounds similar to the conditions you describe. It went in so deep that it was deemed too difficult to recover for a civil investigation, though I seem to remember the insurers tried to push further,
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About thirty five years I was tasked to fly an RAF station photographer over a Jaguar crash site for the benefit of the imminent Board of Inquiry (the crash had not long happened, I had just returned from flying the pilot to hospital). The Jag had gone vertically into a grass field from 10,500 feet with the engines running at high power. The impact crater was surprisingly small and compact, with only a tail pipe and one taileron showing above ground. The photographer quickly thought he'd got all he needed until we noticed an unexplained fresh swathe cut through an adjacent field of standing maize. He took photos of it, although we couldn't understand what it was at that time. The swathe turned out to be caused by an Aden cannon, which had curved upwards from the crater and tunneled itself out of the ground quite some distance away where it cartwheeled across the surface through the crop.
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Some years ago a German Tornado crashed in a marsh. The accident investigators turned up at the site to find that the local burgermeister (spell?), concerned about groundwater contamination, had all of the physical wreckage put in a skip. I'm reliably informed that this is true.
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I had to drop a Lada at Finningley one year. One thousand feet was the demand and I could place it quite safely from the crowd. When I released it I did a quick 45 degree bank right so we could see the impact.
The circular shock wave from just a Lada from 1,000ft was really impressive.
The circular shock wave from just a Lada from 1,000ft was really impressive.
I recall [vaguely, as it was none of my business] a Heads of Branches meeting at RAFG HQ where the then AOC in C was getting concerned about a crash that involved carbon fibre components [Harrier?].
Was/is carbon fibre a particular hazard for the recovery and investigation teams? My only concern was getting the weather forecast right [ideally, providing good weather but .......... !]
Was/is carbon fibre a particular hazard for the recovery and investigation teams? My only concern was getting the weather forecast right [ideally, providing good weather but .......... !]
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Time Team was finished by Ch4 a few years ago, now relegated to repeats on Dave.
Mick Aston has now sadly passed away, but Carenza Lewis is now a lecturer at Lincoln Uni and Phil Harding is still with Wessex Archeology.
I considered Time Team to dig the original Tech site at Waddington, but was offered Bishop Grosseteste arche studes by Lincs Aviation Heritage instead. Sadly support from Waddington didn't materialise. I suspect due to the finance which Waddington would have to provide instead of Time Team, for hiring heavy plant to clear the nettles.