France and Germany to push ahead with new joint MPA
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reckon that finally finishes the idea of any other type…
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...shopping-list/
Budget boost in hand, Germany puts more sub-hunting planes on its shopping list
WASHINGTON — German lawmakers today passed a €100 billion (U.S. $107 billion) defense budget boost, initiating a major spending spree over several years that is expected to include seven new P-8 Poseidon maritime-surveillance planes in addition to five copies ordered last year.…
Defense officials also have set their sights on seven of the company’s P-8 Poseidon maritime-surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft, the office of Enak Ferlemann, a lawmaker with the Christian Democratic Union party, told Defense News. German news website Nord24 was first to report the potential purchase.
Ferlemann’s district includes Nordholz Naval Air Base, where the country would base the planes.
The list of investment priorities attached to the special fund bill doesn’t mention P-8s by name, saying only that an unspecific number of additional planes in the maritime-surveillance category should be bought. Defense officials did not return a request for comment on Friday afternoon.
German lawmakers last year approved the purchase of five Poseidons for about $1.6 billion.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...shopping-list/
Budget boost in hand, Germany puts more sub-hunting planes on its shopping list
WASHINGTON — German lawmakers today passed a €100 billion (U.S. $107 billion) defense budget boost, initiating a major spending spree over several years that is expected to include seven new P-8 Poseidon maritime-surveillance planes in addition to five copies ordered last year.…
Defense officials also have set their sights on seven of the company’s P-8 Poseidon maritime-surveillance and anti-submarine aircraft, the office of Enak Ferlemann, a lawmaker with the Christian Democratic Union party, told Defense News. German news website Nord24 was first to report the potential purchase.
Ferlemann’s district includes Nordholz Naval Air Base, where the country would base the planes.
The list of investment priorities attached to the special fund bill doesn’t mention P-8s by name, saying only that an unspecific number of additional planes in the maritime-surveillance category should be bought. Defense officials did not return a request for comment on Friday afternoon.
German lawmakers last year approved the purchase of five Poseidons for about $1.6 billion.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...craft-program/
France seeds its own maritime-patrol aircraft program
STUTTGART, Germany — France is forging ahead to study options for a future maritime patrol aircraft platform, while presumably still partnering with neighbor Germany on a joint program with the same goal announced nearly six years ago.
The French military procurement agency Direction Générale de l’Armement (DGA) announced Jan. 12 that it awarded two contracts for industry heavies Airbus Defence & Space and Dassault Aviation to examine potential replacements for its current maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) fleet.
The 18-month studies, awarded in late December and each worth €10.9 million (U.S. $11.80 million), will focus on the suitability of Airbus’ A320neo and Dassault’s Falcon 10X platforms to replace France’s decades-old Atlantique ATL2 MPAs. The DGA hopes to launch a procurement program by 2026 and field a future maritime patrol aircraft – or “Patmar” as the agency calls it, for the French “système de patrouille maritime du futur” – by the 2030s.
The announcement places yet another question mark over the status of the Maritime Airborne Warfare System (MAWS) effort, launched by France and Germany in 2017 with the goal of developing a European-designed manned aircraft for maritime patrol missions, to fly by 2035…..
France seeds its own maritime-patrol aircraft program
STUTTGART, Germany — France is forging ahead to study options for a future maritime patrol aircraft platform, while presumably still partnering with neighbor Germany on a joint program with the same goal announced nearly six years ago.
The French military procurement agency Direction Générale de l’Armement (DGA) announced Jan. 12 that it awarded two contracts for industry heavies Airbus Defence & Space and Dassault Aviation to examine potential replacements for its current maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) fleet.
The 18-month studies, awarded in late December and each worth €10.9 million (U.S. $11.80 million), will focus on the suitability of Airbus’ A320neo and Dassault’s Falcon 10X platforms to replace France’s decades-old Atlantique ATL2 MPAs. The DGA hopes to launch a procurement program by 2026 and field a future maritime patrol aircraft – or “Patmar” as the agency calls it, for the French “système de patrouille maritime du futur” – by the 2030s.
The announcement places yet another question mark over the status of the Maritime Airborne Warfare System (MAWS) effort, launched by France and Germany in 2017 with the goal of developing a European-designed manned aircraft for maritime patrol missions, to fly by 2035…..
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Dated mid-Oct, just picked it up.
Goodbye MAWS I guess. Not super unexpected, the FMI enquiry was known before. The question was always going to be the money. But it looks like Germany is now on track to replace P-3C 1:1 with P-8A.
https://defensearchives.de/news/germ...p-8-poseidons/
German Navy to acquire 3 additional P-8 Poseidon aircraft
Information has surfaced about the German Navy’s plans to acquire 3 additional Boeing P-8 Poseidon Maritime Patrole Aircraft (MPA) via a modification of an existing contract, with 5 aircraft currently on order.
The existing Foreign-Military-Sales agreement valued at approximately 1.8 billion US Dollars foresees the planned deliveries of the P-8 aircraft to start in 2024.
The current deal does not yet include the needed armament of Mk. 54 Torpedos or Anti-Ship Guided Missiles. Support infrastructure like simulators and local production agreements for small parts of the aircraft have been made.
The approval for the budget of the additional aircraft will be given next week on October 15 or 16.
Goodbye MAWS I guess. Not super unexpected, the FMI enquiry was known before. The question was always going to be the money. But it looks like Germany is now on track to replace P-3C 1:1 with P-8A.
https://defensearchives.de/news/germ...p-8-poseidons/
German Navy to acquire 3 additional P-8 Poseidon aircraft
Information has surfaced about the German Navy’s plans to acquire 3 additional Boeing P-8 Poseidon Maritime Patrole Aircraft (MPA) via a modification of an existing contract, with 5 aircraft currently on order.
The existing Foreign-Military-Sales agreement valued at approximately 1.8 billion US Dollars foresees the planned deliveries of the P-8 aircraft to start in 2024.
The current deal does not yet include the needed armament of Mk. 54 Torpedos or Anti-Ship Guided Missiles. Support infrastructure like simulators and local production agreements for small parts of the aircraft have been made.
The approval for the budget of the additional aircraft will be given next week on October 15 or 16.
However - the first question is "what are the targets and where are they?" If part of the answer is "submarines", the second is "Do we believe that this high-altitude ASW stuff works?"
It clearly isn't working yet, as the various P-8 OT&E reports seem to indicate. But high-powered, highly-paid RAF people seem confident that it will work by the time we need it to, let alone by the time that the French and Germans will need it
REALLY ! somebody please say that this isn’t true !
It clearly isn't working yet, as the various P-8 OT&E reports seem to indicate. But high-powered, highly-paid RAF people seem confident that it will work by the time we need it to, let alone by the time that the French and Germans will need it
REALLY ! somebody please say that this isn’t true !
Germany has money to spend as it is on the record to reach the "two percent target" from 2024. This is why they need expensive stuff that can be ordered right away.
However - the first question is "what are the targets and where are they?" If part of the answer is "submarines", the second is "Do we believe that this high-altitude ASW stuff works?"
It clearly isn't working yet, as the various P-8 OT&E reports seem to indicate. But high-powered, highly-paid RAF people seem confident that it will work by the time we need it to, let alone by the time that the French and Germans will need it
REALLY ! somebody please say that this isn’t true !
It clearly isn't working yet, as the various P-8 OT&E reports seem to indicate. But high-powered, highly-paid RAF people seem confident that it will work by the time we need it to, let alone by the time that the French and Germans will need it
REALLY ! somebody please say that this isn’t true !
So what is the alternative?
