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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 16:38
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Even Bloody Sunday is no comparison to the Israeli action. Bloody Sunday saw 28 unarmed people shot. the Israeli's shot over 700.
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Not with stealth aircraft in Iran, they didn't.

Let's get back on track.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 17:03
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I knew I was pushing the deadline but thought what the hell.
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33
One does wonder why the Israelis took the risk with single engine aircraft for no particular dividend.
Ummmm, the only stealth aircraft available to them is single engine. So accepting the risk of single engine was pretty much mandatory to get the dividend of stealth.
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What "dividend"?
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Originally Posted by polax52
I'm passionately patriotic to both of my countries, the US and the UK. I dislike the behaviour of the expansionist Iranians in the middle east. It is however, to any reasonable person totally unacceptable what the Israeli's did last Friday.
Why? The US flew U2s over Russia when it was assumed (falsely as it turned out) that they were too high to be shot down. The US flew SR-71s over several nation's sovereign airspace on multiple occasions. Most "reasonable people" thought it was quite "acceptable" to do so.

If a British soldier shot a kid in Northern Ireland for throwing a stone during the troubles, he'd spend the rest of his life in Jail. Quite rightly.
A British soldier who violated a home owner's private property to investigate a bombing is very very different than a soldier who shoots an unarmed kid. Likewise, most "reasonable" people consider violating sovereign airspace to gather intel as someting very very different than dropping bombs.

However, the fact that the reconnaisance platform can also double as a weapons platform would seem to send a rather powerful political and military message.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
The Israelis have a poor sense of proportion - over-reaction every time
Hmmmmm. Iran has stated not only their willingness but their extreme eagerness to nuke Israel and Israel responding with stealth recon overflights of nuclear facilities is an "over-reaction"??!!!

Some folks have a really odd sense of proportion.
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33
What "dividend"?
What part of "get the dividend of stealth" was hard to understand?
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However, the fact that the reconnaisance platform can also double as a weapons platform would seem to send a rather powerful political and military message.
The message, in a word: WAR.
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33
The message, in a word: WAR.
That's the message you have chosen to read. Other (more "reasonable") people read an entirely different message. Especially considering the timing. Israel just admitted they bombed the Syrian nuclear facility without a war. They appear to be saying they could (and would) do the same in Iran.

The US told N Korea they could (and would) take out their nuclear facilities without a war. Suddenly their leader is ready to talk about their nukes. Funny how that works, yes?
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There are heaps of options you have not listed.

Use your imagination a bit....the Israeli's sure do when it comes to a need to be creative.

The air craft are the latest stealth designs and a four engine Tanker sure looks like an Airliner from a distance especially at night.





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The combat radius of the F-35A is 590nm. The one way range from Israel to a site in Iran, such as Natanz, is 1100nm. Figure it out.

Even assuming they have a suitable friend provide a tanker over the Gulf they would be sucking on fumes to reach it - and without any acceptable diversion if there were a problem.

You could hypothesise about tanking over Saudi etc - but that’s not what the story states, but might be trying to imply. In which case it is, depending on the source, the story is as likely to be propaganda as truth.
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Why fly bombers over someone else's country.

Why do that?
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33
Why fly bombers over someone else's country.

Why do that?
WHY? Already answered. To send a message.

Why put nukes on bombers and fly them along the borders of the Soviet Union? To send a message.

Why put nukes on submarines that patrol the borders of the Soviet Union? To send a message.

Why put nukes on missiles that can reach the Soviet Union? To send a message.

NONE of those messages were declarations of war.

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Originally Posted by ORAC
The combat radius of the F-35A is 590nm. The one way range from Israel to a site in Iran, such as Natanz, is 1100nm. Figure it out.

Even assuming they have a suitable friend provide a tanker over the Gulf they would be sucking on fumes to reach it - and without any acceptable diversion if there were a problem.

You could hypothesise about tanking over Saudi etc - but that’s not what the story states, but might be trying to imply. In which case it is, depending on the source, the story is as likely to be propaganda as truth.
The air distance from Israel to international airspace in the Persian Gulf is about 790 miles. Let's call it 800. That's well within the range of an F-35. Once tanked in the Persian Gulf, an F-35 can reach most of Iran and return to the Gulf to get tanked again. And that assumes the Israelis don't have any stealthy fuel tanks. If the Israelis have developed stealthy external tanks, or developed tanks that can fit inside the F-35's weapons bay, the equation could be very different.

Further, some "friend" might provide air cover for the Israeli tanker when it's in the Persian Gulf airspace. Maybe an Aegis ship. Maybe a carrier. Maybe both.

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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 18:34
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Originally Posted by polax52
I dislike the behaviour of the expansionist Iranians in the middle east.
"ROFL" @ that one.

Just who have they bombed back to the stone age these last 3 years then???
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Originally Posted by KenV
The air distance from Israel to international airspace in the Persian Gulf is about 790 miles. Let's call it 800. That's well within the range of an F-35. Once tanked in the Persian Gulf, an F-35 can reach most of Iran and return to the Gulf to get tanked again. And that assumes the Israelis don't have any stealthy fuel tanks. If the Israelis have developed stealthy external tanks, or developed tanks that can fit inside the F-35's weapons bay, the equation could be very different.

Further, some "friend" might provide air cover for the Israeli tanker when it's in the Persian Gulf airspace. Maybe an Aegis ship. Maybe a carrier. Maybe both.
Where's Carol Voderman when you, er, need her?

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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 19:57
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To send a message.
Sending bombers over someone else's country is a very American way of thinking.

Quite piratical, actually.

Why did the Yehudis, America's poisonous daughter in the Middle East, choose to use American "stealth" bombers to "send a message".
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 21:12
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Originally Posted by KenV
What part of "get the dividend of stealth" was hard to understand?
depends if you're a shareholder on not "ken"
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 22:54
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Sending bombers over someone else's country is a very American way of thinking.
I’m sure the lads in the RAF that bombed Germany will be glad to know that.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
"If a British soldier shot a kid in Northern Ireland for throwing a stone during the troubles, he'd spend the rest of his life in Jail. Quite rightly."

these days you're right - but not the Paras at Bloody Sunday.................

The Israelis have a poor sense of proportion - over-reaction every time
Kind makes you wonder why Hamas keep on volunteering these kids as bullet catchers in the first place, when they know that full well, eh Harry?
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