Brexit throws Anglo-French FCAS programme into doubt - Flight
Sure - we can always buy advanced technology of the yanks......... just like the F-35.....
All our recent combat aircraft have been co-operative - you have to go back 30-40 years to the Harrier and the Buc. for a 100% UK aircraft - (and a lot of the later Harriers had US input)
We won't put the money into a European programme and we certainly can't afford our own so it's another technology scratched off the list
All our recent combat aircraft have been co-operative - you have to go back 30-40 years to the Harrier and the Buc. for a 100% UK aircraft - (and a lot of the later Harriers had US input)
We won't put the money into a European programme and we certainly can't afford our own so it's another technology scratched off the list
Tornado has been by far the most capable strike, attack and recce fast jet the RAF has ever had, noting that it has served for over one third of the entire life of the RAF.
After a relatively slow start Typhoon is now taking on that role as well as its swing role A2A. It is selling well as well.
A400M may become a success but perhaps five nations was a step too far.
Although not a brilliant example, even the F35 JSF has an element of international collaboration. None of these aircraft could have been introduced by the UK alone.
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There have been certain benefits from our recent collaboration programmes.
Tornado has been by far the most capable strike, attack and recce fast jet the RAF has ever had, noting that it has served for over one third of the entire life of the RAF.
After a relatively slow start Typhoon is now taking on that role as well as its swing role A2A. It is selling well as well.
A400M may become a success but perhaps five nations was a step too far.
Although not a brilliant example, even the F35 JSF has an element of international collaboration. None of these aircraft could have been introduced by the UK alone.
Tornado has been by far the most capable strike, attack and recce fast jet the RAF has ever had, noting that it has served for over one third of the entire life of the RAF.
After a relatively slow start Typhoon is now taking on that role as well as its swing role A2A. It is selling well as well.
A400M may become a success but perhaps five nations was a step too far.
Although not a brilliant example, even the F35 JSF has an element of international collaboration. None of these aircraft could have been introduced by the UK alone.
If we can't afford a collaborative program we can't afford a go it alone one
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The British always invoke the Commonwealth when they've been shafted by either the US or Europe
In fact the "Commonwealth" hardly ever think they belong in it and tend to remember the times the UK has turned their back on them in favour of Europe or the USA
When did a major Commonwealth country last buy a British Combat Aircarft? Probably India when they bough the Gnat................
In fact the "Commonwealth" hardly ever think they belong in it and tend to remember the times the UK has turned their back on them in favour of Europe or the USA
When did a major Commonwealth country last buy a British Combat Aircarft? Probably India when they bough the Gnat................
Oh, it was Franco-British.. The Intenational sales were all via Britain mind, Dassault were only sub connies in reality and of course Dassualt will only play ball if they have the total lead. Not going to happen is it.
Or the Single seat Hawk (not that much use as a trainer)....Or the Sea Harrier.
....Or the Sea Harrier.
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Sod all to do with Brexit. Just another excuse for the Remainers to claim that is is though. BAe has no desire or interest in pursuing this kind of project. Too much money to be made from either screwing the MOD on projects they've taken over through acquisitions (subs, aircraft carriers, ships, etc), whose sites and capabilities will be killed off and turned into business parks as soon as the support phase of the contract is done, or from being a supplier to the US DOD.
Anyone who seriously thinks that BAe gives a flying fig about any kind of British Sovereign engineering capability or indeed, even has done for the best part of 20 years, seriously needs their head read. They know they've got HMG/MOD over a barrel in terms of supplier choices and never cease to exploit it.
This capability has been leaking away since the MRCA days. That we've reached the point we have has sod all to do with Brexit. The writing has been on the wall for decades.
Anyone who seriously thinks that BAe gives a flying fig about any kind of British Sovereign engineering capability or indeed, even has done for the best part of 20 years, seriously needs their head read. They know they've got HMG/MOD over a barrel in terms of supplier choices and never cease to exploit it.
This capability has been leaking away since the MRCA days. That we've reached the point we have has sod all to do with Brexit. The writing has been on the wall for decades.
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The problem with a proposal like this FCAS is that it's basically a first strike platform. Guess how many European countries have an operational requirement for this? Rule out France and the UK is on its own. While Germany seems to want in, I think its only for the industrial benefits.
I know that BAES (and other parts of the aviation industry) have been trying to convince the UK government about the loss of sovereign engineering capability for a lot of years (15+) and programs like this were part of the more positive outcomes. The idea that brexit isn't a large part of this latest debacle is truly laughable.
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Was thinking of Canada actually. I imagined it might be open to collaboration on a major investment in its aerospace industry but I was thinking with an open mind sorry. Too dreary to be a pessimist.
...but I was thinking with an open mind sorry.
Was thinking of Canada actually.
Anyhow if the swivel-eyed tendency have their way we'll be restarting production of Spitfires and Lancasters come next April...
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Why do you stoop to childish name calling? Doesn't give you or your argument much credibility
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By the time the UK got involved with Jaguar, the aircraft was pretty much designed. If you know where to look, you'll see signs that it's very much a French aircraft.
The problem with a proposal like this FCAS is that it's basically a first strike platform. Guess how many European countries have an operational requirement for this? Rule out France and the UK is on its own. While Germany seems to want in, I think its only for the industrial benefits.
I know that BAES (and other parts of the aviation industry) have been trying to convince the UK government about the loss of sovereign engineering capability for a lot of years (15+) and programs like this were part of the more positive outcomes. The idea that brexit isn't a large part of this latest debacle is truly laughable.
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The problem with a proposal like this FCAS is that it's basically a first strike platform. Guess how many European countries have an operational requirement for this? Rule out France and the UK is on its own. While Germany seems to want in, I think its only for the industrial benefits.
I know that BAES (and other parts of the aviation industry) have been trying to convince the UK government about the loss of sovereign engineering capability for a lot of years (15+) and programs like this were part of the more positive outcomes. The idea that brexit isn't a large part of this latest debacle is truly laughable.
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