Russian fighter jet 'shot down' in Syria (3rd Feb)
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Regarding CSAR assets, sure there are some capabilities there, though there is no land war for Russia in Syria (but mostly air ops) and no massive land forces are present. But it's not a matter of CSAR in this particular case. The pilot just preferred not to be captured by those f-jackals, who would then film how they would humiliate, etc., bargain about the price to return him and so on. Even if special forces were just 500 m away, jihaddists would anyway take him as he landed "on their heads".Therefore he preferred to die in dignity in combat and he should be greatly respected for that.
Coming back to CSAR, his body was already transported yesterday here, to Moscow region. The body was quickly retrieved by the russian special forces with the help of turks.
Some Su-25 fragments were collected as well, perhaps to identify what exactly MANPAD was used.
Coming back to CSAR, his body was already transported yesterday here, to Moscow region. The body was quickly retrieved by the russian special forces with the help of turks.
Some Su-25 fragments were collected as well, perhaps to identify what exactly MANPAD was used.
Ah, so the Turks were embarrassed by this.
While I have some sympathy for the pilot and admire his bravery, I find it hard to sympathise with Russia when they are brutalising their neighbours and actively attempting to destabilise democratic elections in other nations.
Извините, друзья.
From one ex-RAF guy (and possibly more on this forum.)
Fonsini, the Russian major did what any of us was doing when we flew near to where hot lead was flying about: trying to polish the turd the politicians dumped on some place by the means he was trained in.
As to the Russians: As most who post here, I am an old Cold Warrior and grew up with the Soviets as the foe. It was nice to see the Cold War end. I am of the opinion that the Americans and Russians missed a fantastic chance to stop being nasty to each other in the early part of the War on Terror, between about 2001 and 2008, since we have/had a common goal of putting down Islamists and terrorists. When the US went for the "put the Republic of Georgia into NATO" gambit, I consider it a turning point of roughly where we lost the plot. We certainly have our geostrategic differences, but there have been chances to make better efforts at using common problems as a point of building a better relationship.
We can't seem (the both of us) to get out of our own ways.
I tried to find a link to a song I'd like to dedicate to this major, but youtube sadly does not have this one up anywhere. It's from a Deutsche grammophon record I heard years ago. I ended up taping it onto a 90 minute cassette tape in the 1970's. That tape now and again still get played. A capella songs, male chorus, in Russian as I recall.
In German, it's called Lied Vom Braven Major
In English, it is "The Song of the Brave Major"
In French it's something like "Chanson du vaillant major"
(Heh, that album cover here is the one I remember.... Don Kosaken Chor Serge Jaroff – Russische Lieder Und Chöre
Genre:Classical )
As to the Russians: As most who post here, I am an old Cold Warrior and grew up with the Soviets as the foe. It was nice to see the Cold War end. I am of the opinion that the Americans and Russians missed a fantastic chance to stop being nasty to each other in the early part of the War on Terror, between about 2001 and 2008, since we have/had a common goal of putting down Islamists and terrorists. When the US went for the "put the Republic of Georgia into NATO" gambit, I consider it a turning point of roughly where we lost the plot. We certainly have our geostrategic differences, but there have been chances to make better efforts at using common problems as a point of building a better relationship.
We can't seem (the both of us) to get out of our own ways.
I tried to find a link to a song I'd like to dedicate to this major, but youtube sadly does not have this one up anywhere. It's from a Deutsche grammophon record I heard years ago. I ended up taping it onto a 90 minute cassette tape in the 1970's. That tape now and again still get played. A capella songs, male chorus, in Russian as I recall.
In German, it's called Lied Vom Braven Major
In English, it is "The Song of the Brave Major"
In French it's something like "Chanson du vaillant major"
(Heh, that album cover here is the one I remember.... Don Kosaken Chor Serge Jaroff – Russische Lieder Und Chöre
Genre:Classical )
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Lone wolf, how I agree with your sentiments. Maybe this tragic death and the widespread sympathy extended may be a catalyst towards better relations towards our Russian friends as we both seem to be up against the same problem. Possibly I may seem naive, but something must be done.. from another Cold War warrior!
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What, like bend over and take it up the harris?
Go ask the UK army, training Ukrainian recruits of two weeks to fight against those Russian holidaymakers [and worse] in Eastern Ukraine, about the dirty reality, or even, lord forbid, stop believing what the media, in general, wants you to believe!
Go ask the UK army, training Ukrainian recruits of two weeks to fight against those Russian holidaymakers [and worse] in Eastern Ukraine, about the dirty reality, or even, lord forbid, stop believing what the media, in general, wants you to believe!
There is still mystery on the ground in Syria surrounding how they managed to steal his body and smuggle it out, right from under the noses of this al Qaida group backed by Turkey.
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Few of us have access to the unvarnished truth, so I can't confirm its veracity, but here's a partial explanation jolihokistix:
Reported via Warisboring.
Filipov’s suicide was actually in vain. He came down inside an area controlled by Jaysh An Nasr, and would therefore have been captured by JAN and not by jihadists.
The Russian pilot would almost certainly have been exchanged via Turkey. The same happened with three different Syrian pilots in 2017.
The Russian pilot would almost certainly have been exchanged via Turkey. The same happened with three different Syrian pilots in 2017.
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Lonewolf,
You are correct. And very well said.
Hope there will be times to put things back on the right track. But unfortunately not in the nearest future with the politicians in charge on both sides.
You are correct. And very well said.
Hope there will be times to put things back on the right track. But unfortunately not in the nearest future with the politicians in charge on both sides.
.....
As to the Russians: As most who post here, I am an old Cold Warrior and grew up with the Soviets as the foe. It was nice to see the Cold War end. I am of the opinion that the Americans and Russians missed a fantastic chance to stop being nasty to each other in the early part of the War on Terror, between about 2001 and 2008, since we have/had a common goal of putting down Islamists and terrorists. When the US went for the "put the Republic of Georgia into NATO" gambit, I consider it a turning point of roughly where we lost the plot. We certainly have our geostrategic differences, but there have been chances to make better efforts at using common problems as a point of building a better relationship.
.....
As to the Russians: As most who post here, I am an old Cold Warrior and grew up with the Soviets as the foe. It was nice to see the Cold War end. I am of the opinion that the Americans and Russians missed a fantastic chance to stop being nasty to each other in the early part of the War on Terror, between about 2001 and 2008, since we have/had a common goal of putting down Islamists and terrorists. When the US went for the "put the Republic of Georgia into NATO" gambit, I consider it a turning point of roughly where we lost the plot. We certainly have our geostrategic differences, but there have been chances to make better efforts at using common problems as a point of building a better relationship.
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What, like bend over and take it up the harris? Go ask the UK army, training Ukrainian recruits of two weeks to fight against those Russian holidaymakers [and worse] in Eastern Ukraine, about the dirty reality, or even, lord forbid, stop believing what the media, in general, wants you to believe!
The major was doing his thing, as any of us would have been doing were we in the flight suit that day and been on task to do ... whatever it is that military pilots do. RIP, Major Filipov. There but for the grace of God go I, or one of a few dozen of my friends. At root, it's the bollocks the politicians make of things that set up the conditions that turn out this way.
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The "An-Nusra" militants today shed light on some details of the return of the body of Major Filipov to his homeland.
1. After Russia asked Turkey to help with the return of Filipov's body to Russia, the fighters of An-Nusra began to prepare for trade, with the purpose of exchanging Filipov's body for several of his accomplices in Asad who, in the interests of Russia, can free some number of fighters for body exchange.
2. But the unforeseen happened. Another group (called "Fallah al-Sham") stole Filipov's body from An-Nusra and handed it over to the Turks, who in turn gave it to Russia. According to the statements of An-Nusra, the body was returned "free of charge" and without any benefit to the "defenders of Idlib".
3. The leadership of "An-Nusra" promises to punish all those involved in this betrayal, and first of all the agents of Turkey, who betrayed the cause of jihad, choosing the side of Turkey, and not the faithful Muslims.
1. After Russia asked Turkey to help with the return of Filipov's body to Russia, the fighters of An-Nusra began to prepare for trade, with the purpose of exchanging Filipov's body for several of his accomplices in Asad who, in the interests of Russia, can free some number of fighters for body exchange.
2. But the unforeseen happened. Another group (called "Fallah al-Sham") stole Filipov's body from An-Nusra and handed it over to the Turks, who in turn gave it to Russia. According to the statements of An-Nusra, the body was returned "free of charge" and without any benefit to the "defenders of Idlib".
3. The leadership of "An-Nusra" promises to punish all those involved in this betrayal, and first of all the agents of Turkey, who betrayed the cause of jihad, choosing the side of Turkey, and not the faithful Muslims.
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As based on their previous articles on russian military matters, you can just as well consult with a London taxi driver or a hairdresser...
Thank you for the updates above. Here is the article which I did not post yesterday, but it does have a couple of interesting tidbits in it.
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...to-Russia.html
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...to-Russia.html
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The wingman of hero pilot Major Roman Filipov, who was shot down over Syria’s governorate of Idlib and sacrificed his life fighting terrorists on the ground, has recalled their last mission and his efforts to cover his commander.
The pair of Su-25 attack jets had been performing a routine flight over Idlib de-escalation zone on Saturday. While their primary objective was to monitor the area, each such flight is dangerous and considered a true combat sortie, Filipov’s wingman told Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper in an interview.
“That sortie was also a combat one. How else can it be in the warring country, especially in such a troubled province as Idlib?” he said.
“Yes, I see it,” Filipov said when his comrade warned him about militants launching a man-portable anti-aircraft missile at his plane.
“I’ve been hit,” he added calmly just moments later. “It’s a good hit.”
The right engine of Filipov’s Su-25 caught fire, the left one stalled and he ordered his wingman to gain altitude to hide in the clouds and call a search and rescue team.
The wingman, however, disobeyed the last order of his commander, who ejected and landed in the terrorist-controlled area.
“Obviously, I did not leave. Leaving the commander alone is the last thing I’d do,” said the pilot. As Filipov waged his last battle on the ground, his brother-in-arms supported him from the air.
“I’ve always covered my commander in the air and it had to be done on the ground, where he was already engaged in combat. I stayed in the area and made several attacks, targeted the cars which approached the olive grove where Roman was. I destroyed a couple of them,” the pilot said.
“I saw where the commander landed, but I did not see the skirmish itself – it was dusk already. I had to leave on the emergency fuel reserve, only enough to get back to the airfield.”
Footage of the dramatic shootout, which emerged online, shows that once militants surrounded the gravely wounded pilot, he set off a hand grenade, shouting: “This is for the boys!” Photos posted online indicate he emptied almost two magazines of his sidearm during the shootout.
Russia’s defense ministry has posthumously awarded Filipov with the country’s highest award – the Hero of Russia medal. Major Filipov has left behind a wife and daughter. His body was recovered and returned to Russia on Tuesday. A military funeral will take place in his hometown of Voronezh on February 8 in accordance with his relatives’ wishes.
(C) RT
The pair of Su-25 attack jets had been performing a routine flight over Idlib de-escalation zone on Saturday. While their primary objective was to monitor the area, each such flight is dangerous and considered a true combat sortie, Filipov’s wingman told Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper in an interview.
“That sortie was also a combat one. How else can it be in the warring country, especially in such a troubled province as Idlib?” he said.
“Yes, I see it,” Filipov said when his comrade warned him about militants launching a man-portable anti-aircraft missile at his plane.
“I’ve been hit,” he added calmly just moments later. “It’s a good hit.”
The right engine of Filipov’s Su-25 caught fire, the left one stalled and he ordered his wingman to gain altitude to hide in the clouds and call a search and rescue team.
The wingman, however, disobeyed the last order of his commander, who ejected and landed in the terrorist-controlled area.
“Obviously, I did not leave. Leaving the commander alone is the last thing I’d do,” said the pilot. As Filipov waged his last battle on the ground, his brother-in-arms supported him from the air.
“I’ve always covered my commander in the air and it had to be done on the ground, where he was already engaged in combat. I stayed in the area and made several attacks, targeted the cars which approached the olive grove where Roman was. I destroyed a couple of them,” the pilot said.
“I saw where the commander landed, but I did not see the skirmish itself – it was dusk already. I had to leave on the emergency fuel reserve, only enough to get back to the airfield.”
Footage of the dramatic shootout, which emerged online, shows that once militants surrounded the gravely wounded pilot, he set off a hand grenade, shouting: “This is for the boys!” Photos posted online indicate he emptied almost two magazines of his sidearm during the shootout.
Russia’s defense ministry has posthumously awarded Filipov with the country’s highest award – the Hero of Russia medal. Major Filipov has left behind a wife and daughter. His body was recovered and returned to Russia on Tuesday. A military funeral will take place in his hometown of Voronezh on February 8 in accordance with his relatives’ wishes.
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At the moment, an examination is being carried out to establish country where the MANPADS that shot down Russian Su-25 in Syria was manufactured. This was reported at the briefing by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia Maria Zakharova, RBC correspondent reports.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
"Fragments are 100% not from ours system," a source in the Defense Ministry told RBC. "According to preliminary estimates, they belongs to the American third generation MANPADS. Range - up to 6 km, height - up to 4, plus strong protection from traps. At first we thought that it was "Osa" [SA-8 Gecko], the interlocutor added.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
"Fragments are 100% not from ours system," a source in the Defense Ministry told RBC. "According to preliminary estimates, they belongs to the American third generation MANPADS. Range - up to 6 km, height - up to 4, plus strong protection from traps. At first we thought that it was "Osa" [SA-8 Gecko], the interlocutor added.
At the moment, an examination is being carried out to establish country where the MANPADS that shot down Russian Su-25 in Syria was manufactured. This was reported at the briefing by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia Maria Zakharova, RBC correspondent reports.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
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At the moment, an examination is being carried out to establish country where the MANPADS that shot down Russian Su-25 in Syria was manufactured. This was reported at the briefing by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia Maria Zakharova, RBC correspondent reports.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
"Fragments are 100% not from ours system," a source in the Defense Ministry told RBC. "According to preliminary estimates, they belongs to the American third generation MANPADS. Range - up to 6 km, height - up to 4, plus strong protection from traps. At first we thought that it was "Osa" [SA-8 Gecko], the interlocutor added.
"An examination is being conducted to determine where the MANPADS was manufactured. Such weapons can not fall into the hands of terrorists without serious support and accompaniment from outside, "she said.
"Fragments are 100% not from ours system," a source in the Defense Ministry told RBC. "According to preliminary estimates, they belongs to the American third generation MANPADS. Range - up to 6 km, height - up to 4, plus strong protection from traps. At first we thought that it was "Osa" [SA-8 Gecko], the interlocutor added.
Maybe they should ask the Dutch about Russian SAM warhead forensics ...
...or is that one of those inconvienent truths??
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Don't understand why the question about "who manufactured the MANPAD?" is so important. As correctly mentioned above, there is quite a considerable black market for such devices accesible for all "bad guys". Could be Russian "Igla" taken from or lost (or even sold) by the Assad's regime or moved from Lybia, could be US ones moved from Iraq, could be Chinese, whatever. It is also clear that any modern MANPAD can easily reach such an aircraft as Su-25 at the altitude it was flying, especially as it did not maneuver and not used flares.
Just take into account that jihaddists in Syria now do have these toys and act accordingly.
Just take into account that jihaddists in Syria now do have these toys and act accordingly.
He saw it but didn't manouver at all? He saw it but didn't release flares?