Incident At Fairford RIAT
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens of Wibble,
canberra,
Alenia / Lockheed Martin are marketing the C-27 as the Spartan.
Can seem to put a picture in this post so here is a link to the picture anyway.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/123013/L/
canberra,
Alenia / Lockheed Martin are marketing the C-27 as the Spartan.
Can seem to put a picture in this post so here is a link to the picture anyway.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/123013/L/
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Plane Jane
Agree your remarks about the traffic management, which was simply unacceptable. We managed to get to the car park in time to see the Jordanians who, for me, topped the show. The Reds and the wops were equal second (the wop soloist was superb, as was the Belgian F16 and the Harrier). I was hoping to see Eurofighter, but no show - presumably they were saving themselves for the fat cats at Farnborough rather than the taxpayers at RIAT. We returned to the car after the Reds show at about 1900 and only managed to get off the car park at 2230. Not good enough: back to the drawing board! Somehow, however, the family said they had enjoyed it all when we staggered home at 0030.
The worst incident I saw was not the little one on the runway, but pure road rage when a frustrated ( and probably pi$$ed) motorist got so frustrated that he drove straight at one of the poor bloody marshallers trying to get six lanes of traffic through a single narrow gate out of the car park into the lane. No police in sight! The guy ought to have been arrested and charged with attempted manslaughter.
Agree your remarks about the traffic management, which was simply unacceptable. We managed to get to the car park in time to see the Jordanians who, for me, topped the show. The Reds and the wops were equal second (the wop soloist was superb, as was the Belgian F16 and the Harrier). I was hoping to see Eurofighter, but no show - presumably they were saving themselves for the fat cats at Farnborough rather than the taxpayers at RIAT. We returned to the car after the Reds show at about 1900 and only managed to get off the car park at 2230. Not good enough: back to the drawing board! Somehow, however, the family said they had enjoyed it all when we staggered home at 0030.
The worst incident I saw was not the little one on the runway, but pure road rage when a frustrated ( and probably pi$$ed) motorist got so frustrated that he drove straight at one of the poor bloody marshallers trying to get six lanes of traffic through a single narrow gate out of the car park into the lane. No police in sight! The guy ought to have been arrested and charged with attempted manslaughter.
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Plane J!
Stop moaning and learn to read a map, Cheltenham to F'Ford in 40 mins! Just get off the beaten track!
I also watched the ac slide down the R'way, Hmmm. S*$T happens. Fortunately they all walked!
Stop moaning and learn to read a map, Cheltenham to F'Ford in 40 mins! Just get off the beaten track!
I also watched the ac slide down the R'way, Hmmm. S*$T happens. Fortunately they all walked!
Wibble,
I think its the C27J you are referring to. Its a souped up G222 with much the same upgade as the C130J. Saw one being trialled at Deci a couple of years ago, and then watched them towing it behind the line of GAF F4s and driving its wing tip into an F4 fin. Oops.
C27J info: http://www.simviation.com/rinfoc27j.htm
I think its the C27J you are referring to. Its a souped up G222 with much the same upgade as the C130J. Saw one being trialled at Deci a couple of years ago, and then watched them towing it behind the line of GAF F4s and driving its wing tip into an F4 fin. Oops.
C27J info: http://www.simviation.com/rinfoc27j.htm
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Cottesmore was far better, traffic wise - I left home (about 1 hour away) early, expecting to queue for ages, drove straight in and walking around by 9 am.
OK, I thought, but it's bound to be chocker when we leave - again no, it was an absolute breeze. A friend of mine was driving up to Yorkshire on the Saturday, saw the signs and thought "Aaargh! I forgot about the airshow!"
The signs were all he saw - no traffic on the A1 at all.
Now, I know that you can get an awful lot of aircraft into Fairford, but it's not centrally placed to allow everyone in the UK a reasonable drive to get there; it could also be taken away as a public venue, much as Mildenhall has been before. I always used to go to the Air Tattoos, but I don't do Fairford because of the traffic, and the 2001 show at Cottesmore was a belter; do you really need 400 aircraft to make a good airshow?
OK, I thought, but it's bound to be chocker when we leave - again no, it was an absolute breeze. A friend of mine was driving up to Yorkshire on the Saturday, saw the signs and thought "Aaargh! I forgot about the airshow!"
The signs were all he saw - no traffic on the A1 at all.
Now, I know that you can get an awful lot of aircraft into Fairford, but it's not centrally placed to allow everyone in the UK a reasonable drive to get there; it could also be taken away as a public venue, much as Mildenhall has been before. I always used to go to the Air Tattoos, but I don't do Fairford because of the traffic, and the 2001 show at Cottesmore was a belter; do you really need 400 aircraft to make a good airshow?
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Folks,
As a volunteer on the RIAT photo Team (I was wearing a Hi- Vis vest and spent a lot of time on the aprons and met a few 'PRUNERS' you might have seen me) I've got to set the record straight on a few points raised here.
Firstly, the little G222 incident. I didn't actually see the mishap, but being down on Apron Gold at the time I was on scene shortly after the crash crew had the situation under control. Speaking to the Incident Commander etc. the nosewheel tyre continued burning in the well and this contributed to the majority of the interior damage. Externally it wasn't that bad with just the underside panels dented and scraped etc., but methinks it won't be flying for a while!
Contrary to one of the earlier posts, the runway escaped remarkably well with just a slight scrape and a bit of localised damage where the molten rubber etc. dripped onto the surface. Some sterling work by a RIAT clean up team soon had this sorted and the full runway was soon in use once more.
At this point allow me to state publically how impressive it was to watch both the Fire Services and the 'Crash & Smash' boys from St. Athan in action - the main contributing factor to the 4 hr delay in getting the aircraft moved was actually waiting for a suitable crane to be brought in from off site. Some food for thought for the future maybe?
Overall though a big well done to all concerned - it was a privellage to work with you.
Turning now to the other points raised namely the traffic etc. photographing this was actually one of our taskings so I did have more interest than perhaps is healthy in this. It was always known that security was going to be a big problem and anything which interrupts the flow of people through the gates will unfortunately inevitably cause delays. There was a problem with one of the gate locks on the Saturday morning which was only solved by the intervention of an angle grinder so if you were stucking in that long pedestrian crew on the Kempsford Road (past RIAT staff reception), that was why. Unfortunately though this introduced a back log and in turn swamped the security staff who were trying to do their job.
My understanding is that the increased security measures were a requirement of the USAF and hence there is not a lot that can be done. Unfortunately getting that number of people in and out of anywhere at the same time can never go without delay. Also, despite what was said earlier - random bag searches and other measures which I wont go into on this forum were in use so I assure you that the delays weren't for nothing.
All I can say is that every volunteer I met worked very hard to make the day as safe and enoyable as they could for the public & participants and therefore idiots like the one described in one of the previous postings taking it out on the poor marshaller deserve to be locked up!
Finally, thanks to all who took part or contributed to the show for a very tiring but hugely enjoyable week.
"BLW"
As a volunteer on the RIAT photo Team (I was wearing a Hi- Vis vest and spent a lot of time on the aprons and met a few 'PRUNERS' you might have seen me) I've got to set the record straight on a few points raised here.
Firstly, the little G222 incident. I didn't actually see the mishap, but being down on Apron Gold at the time I was on scene shortly after the crash crew had the situation under control. Speaking to the Incident Commander etc. the nosewheel tyre continued burning in the well and this contributed to the majority of the interior damage. Externally it wasn't that bad with just the underside panels dented and scraped etc., but methinks it won't be flying for a while!
Contrary to one of the earlier posts, the runway escaped remarkably well with just a slight scrape and a bit of localised damage where the molten rubber etc. dripped onto the surface. Some sterling work by a RIAT clean up team soon had this sorted and the full runway was soon in use once more.
At this point allow me to state publically how impressive it was to watch both the Fire Services and the 'Crash & Smash' boys from St. Athan in action - the main contributing factor to the 4 hr delay in getting the aircraft moved was actually waiting for a suitable crane to be brought in from off site. Some food for thought for the future maybe?
Overall though a big well done to all concerned - it was a privellage to work with you.
Turning now to the other points raised namely the traffic etc. photographing this was actually one of our taskings so I did have more interest than perhaps is healthy in this. It was always known that security was going to be a big problem and anything which interrupts the flow of people through the gates will unfortunately inevitably cause delays. There was a problem with one of the gate locks on the Saturday morning which was only solved by the intervention of an angle grinder so if you were stucking in that long pedestrian crew on the Kempsford Road (past RIAT staff reception), that was why. Unfortunately though this introduced a back log and in turn swamped the security staff who were trying to do their job.
My understanding is that the increased security measures were a requirement of the USAF and hence there is not a lot that can be done. Unfortunately getting that number of people in and out of anywhere at the same time can never go without delay. Also, despite what was said earlier - random bag searches and other measures which I wont go into on this forum were in use so I assure you that the delays weren't for nothing.
All I can say is that every volunteer I met worked very hard to make the day as safe and enoyable as they could for the public & participants and therefore idiots like the one described in one of the previous postings taking it out on the poor marshaller deserve to be locked up!
Finally, thanks to all who took part or contributed to the show for a very tiring but hugely enjoyable week.
"BLW"
