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Commander Simon Rawlins RN Pilot's American wife blocked by Home Office

Old 20th Oct 2017, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab View Post
wept - it is not racist to state that Africans score low in IQ tests - it is fact proven by countless studies - start here if you want to read further:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

It is also true that North East Asians score higher than Caucasians (most of us on this forum, including myself). Is stating that fact also racist to you?

There are many other differences between the various races on our planet, some of which give competitive advantage to that race. Ever notice how many 100m finalists at the Olympics are black? Or how many NBA or NFL players are black? Do you think it racist to state that black people are better sprinters than white people, because they have more short-twitch muscles than white people?

Coming back to my original point, we should encourage immigration from sectors of the world population that are likely to improve our society. The greatest natural resource on our planet is human intelligence. Look at Singapore and Hong Kong - almost no natural resources but (due to large High average IQ Manchurian Chinese population) very successful countries. Look at Africa - mind boggling natural resources but staggeringly low IQ population so mired in poverty, corruption, cruelty. So let us encourage immigration from countries with high average IQs, and discourage the others.
The connection between race and intelligence has been a subject of debate in both popular science and academic research since the inception of IQ testing in the early 20th century. While tests have broadly shown differences in average scores based on self-identified race or ethnicity, there is considerable debate as to whether (and to what extent) those differences reflect environmental or genetic factors, as well as to the definitions of "race" and "intelligence" and whether they can be objectively defined. Currently, there is no non-circumstantial evidence that these differences in test scores have a genetic component

From the first paragraph of your link.....care to comment Trim Stab?

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Old 20th Oct 2017, 21:46
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Originally Posted by Trim Stab View Post
Yep, these are the sorts of people that we are letting in..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...13-year-battle

Apparently she has been on benefits for past 13 years.

I say openly that we should welcome white christian migrants from other EU countries, and from commonwealth countries such as NZ and Australia, as the vast majority come to work hard, integrate and make a positive contribution to our country. I also openly say that we should not allow in any migrants from Africa (due to their low IQ, low skills, and difficulties integrating even over several generations), or muslim migrants (due to their refusal to integrate or change their abhorrent customs and lifestyles), because mostly these groups make a negative contribution to our country. Doesn't make me popular with some loonies, I have to admit...
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 21:52
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I wonder, if he had been a rating and not an officer, would his wife have got a visa as quick??

Doubtful.

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Old 20th Oct 2017, 23:01
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just wondering...

If instead of the couple in question - who have my sympathy having gone through immigration & naturalization hoops in my lifetime (joint UK/USA citizen) - we were looking at a UK born Pakistani-heritage muslim British Army NCO soldier with Afghan/Iraq tours notched up, and his new, say, not quite as photogenic Tunisian bride if the Daily Mail readers would have been quite so outraged..? Mr Angry from Purley on the phone?

I suspect not.

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Old 21st Oct 2017, 10:24
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Wikipedia the go to source for scientists everywhere,intellectual rigour be damned! Race equates to IQ,a lot of discredited pseudoscientific 8ull5h1t !
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 13:57
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Basil, spot on buddy! Every applicant goes through the same prolonged process, there is no evident bias as far as I can see. Military applicants should not be fast tracked, unless they are willing to pay a substantial fee - like the rest of us.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 20:24
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Originally Posted by woptb View Post
Wikipedia the go to source for scientists everywhere,intellectual rigour be damned! Race equates to IQ,a lot of discredited pseudoscientific 8ull5h1t !
Have you ever set foot in Africa? Go there, your eyes will be opened...

I also suggest you read the full wikipedia article and all the links therein. The evidence that different races have different IQs, as well as different, cranial volumes, different proportions of long twitch and short twitch muscles, different skin colours, different hair textures, different levels of hormones (particularly testosterone) is completely substantiated. It is due to different proportions of Homo Sapien, Neanderthal, and Denisovian DNA in the genetic makeup of modern human beings. Africans are 100% Homo Sapiens, Caucasians about 90% Homo Sapiens and 10 % Neanderthal, NE Asians have a higher proportion of Neanderthal (hence higher cranial volume and higher IQ), and finally Australian Aborigines have the lowest proportion of Neanderthal DNA plus some Denisovian DNA which accounts for their unusually low IQs.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 21:07
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Trim Stab.
A read of Wikipedia and the articles and research it cites reveal that your claims regarding Africans are very much unsubstantiated and contested.

That aside I'm really not sure what to make of this;

Originally Posted by Trim Stab View Post
I say openly that we should welcome white christian migrants from other EU countries, and from commonwealth countries...
Are you going to point me in the direction of another Wikipedia article that says non Christians are somehow inferior? What about black Christians or white Jews are they ok? White Christians from Kenya, I'm not sure where you sit with them?

Or maybe you're just a vile bigot hiding behind the anonymity this forum affords you to spout your poison?

Incidentally I have been to Africa, I have flown operationally with people of various ethnicity, religion and sexuality. I do not recognise your characterisations.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 00:09
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This ethnicity thing is very strange. The IQ variations excite great "racist" condemnations and overtones, but we appear to accept that Ethiopians can run the arse off whiteys at long distance, that average penis length does vary with race [unfortunately], that some races are rubbish at swimming, and so on and so on.

So why does IQ excite so much angst? In every professional competitive course that I attended I came second to a Chinese or a Singaporean. I also always lost at table tennis against them.

Fact. Get over it. It is not racist to point to demonstrable truths. Different races have different strengths but we all have to play to our strengths and cover each others' weaknesses. It is a small planet.

The biggest shits I have known were white. The nicest people I have known were black.

So?
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 07:35
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Fair enough on most points,but IQ versus race is very much not,'a demonstrable truth'. It is a highly charged,highly politicised area of research. If your truth is that on average,people of black ethnicity are dumber than whites then so be it. Yes I've been to & worked in Africa. Believe your conflating an argument about intellect & some assertions about African culture to justify a facile argument.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 08:49
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Fact. Get over it. It is not racist to point to demonstrable truths.
Langley I can only assume you haven't read the entire thread?
It is not a demonstrable truth that people from Africa have lower IQs, it is very much a contested area as the Wiki article Trim Stab posted points out.
I contend and think most agree with me though that it is racist to say that the only people who should be allowed to enter our country are white Christians from Europe or the Commonwealth.
Your last paragraphs sum up my point nicely. It demonstrates we are all human and individuals with strengths and flaws that have nothing to do with skin colour/religion/nationality etc...
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Chinny Crewman View Post
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I contend and think most agree with me though that it is racist to say that the only people who should be allowed to enter our country are white Christians from Europe or the Commonwealth.
Your last paragraphs sum up my point nicely. It demonstrates we are all human and individuals with strengths and flaws that have nothing to do with skin colour/religion/nationality etc...
I agree with you completely. There have been some disgraceful remarks posted here recently.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 11:49
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This is getting good; let's stoke it up a bit:
I previously said that there were some people who should NOT be permitted to enter MY country.
Returning daesh haddies should be taken immediately to prison and thence to a place of execution . . . . .
I don't think anyone took offence at your post #17 Basil, I totally agree with you. It was what came after.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 13:34
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IMHO skin colour is the absolutely least useful guide to what people are like..............
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 13:53
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If my previous apparent support of Trim Stabs rant upset people then I apologise. His rant was over the top.
Singling out people by colour or country isn't the point. My beef isn't about race, it's about numbers.

Why? When I made a previous comment, I'd just opened a letter informing me of a hospital appointment next February. The previous one was June this year. Nearly 9 months between. My GP has just had 700 extra patients dropped on his books, most of them incomers to the area (and country). The result is anything up to a month to get an appointment. The system can't cope.

Military applicants should not be fast tracked, unless they are willing to pay a substantial fee - like the rest of us.
Why? Surely someone like Commander Simon Rawlins who has put his life on the line for the UK SHOULD have some sort of benefit?
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 13:59
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Which all has tiddly squat to do with aviation of any sort
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 07:32
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Originally Posted by Basil View Post
Does that mean that Hom Sap were less intelligent than Neanderthal but better fighters? So they were better balanced; a bit like comparing IQ and common sense.
Yes, Neanderthals were more intelligent than Homo Sapiens. Neanderthals had higher cranial volumes (about 1600cc) compared to Homo Sapiens (about 1300cc). There is a strong correlation between IQ and intelligence in human races. Neanderthals were also taller, stronger, had fair skin, and straight hair.

Caucasians have about 5-10% Caucasian DNA and cranial volumes about 1450cc. Japanese/Korean have a higher percentage of Neanderthal DNA and slightly higher cranial volumes than Caucasians (about 1500cc) and also have more Neanderthal characteristics (eg straight hair). Africans have no Neanderthal DNA, which is why they have the smallest cranial volumes of any human race.

Nobody is sure why Homo Sapiens was able to invade Europe and force out the Neanderthals. The old theories that Homo Sapiens were more intelligent have now been discredited. It is thought by some researchers that Homo Sapiens bought with them a disease that they were resistant to - there is some evidence to show that Syphilis arrived in the northern Hemisphere about the same time as Homo Sapiens.

I became very interested in all of this when I moved to Africa about six years ago for work. Having witnessed first hand how utterly stupid the majority are, the selfish, myopic greed of the more intelligent, and seen their total inability to build any sort of functioning society, despite being overwhelmed with natural resources, sunshine, water, fertile agricultural land, I decided that the old theories that we are all descended from inhabitants of the Rift Valley to be highly unlikely.

Political correctness should not make us blind to science. Any disbelievers should just go to Lagos (for example) and see the honking, chaotic, ugly, crassly unjust society that Africans build, totally devoid of any art or beauty, despite having fabulous wealth at their disposal. I don't want these people coming into Europe and messing up our place too. The black people already in the UK still struggle to integrate despite being there now for generations since the 1950s. They are still more likely to drop out of school early, fail to find work, get involved in crime, spend life on benefits, and have more children, than white citizens or asian citizens. And I am also fed up with their failings being blamed on "racism" in British society, and I get particularly angry when our police force - which is the best in the world - is accused of racism. The likes of David Lammy should go to Nigeria and see how the Nigerian police function lol.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:21
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Wow, just wow.

What about this black person, TrimStab? Is he here "messing up our place"? Dr Johnson Gideon Beharry VC
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:41
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
Wow, just wow.

What about this black person, TrimStab? Is he here "messing up our place"? Dr Johnson Gideon Beharry VC

No not at all. Where have I said that all black people are messing up our place? Quite clearly there are some success stories. Beharry is British, and has integrated well, and has done the country a great service. There are others like him, who serve the country well.

However, they are a minority. If you look at crime statistics in UK - black people are proportionally more likely to commit crime. Also, more likely to drop out of school with no qualifications. Less likely to become productive members of society. We have been doing our best for many years in UK to reverse this trend - but it is a difficult battle. I therefore think that we should try to limit the immigration from Africa in order to reduce the burden on our society in the future.

I positively welcome immigration from EU countries (particularly Eastern Europe) as they are generally hard working people. I also wish we could attract immigrants from Japan - wonderful courteous, well educated people who work very hard. Unfortunately Japanese don't want to immigrate to UK due to all the street crime and Islamic terrorism.

It is obviously not very politically correct to make these statements and I realise it is offensive to some people who have been conditioned over many years. But I will say it again - allowing mass immigration from Africa will be a burden on our society for many generations.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:48
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allowing mass immigration from Africa
Where does it say that this is going to happen?
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