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UK MFTS on or off the rails?

Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:23
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I think one way to possibly address this would (in addition to fixing the training pipeline) be to introduce some form of a 'below the zone' promotion fix to remove the requirement of being 'above average' in the air prior to being considered by the board- maybe an acknowledgement that a junior 1st tourist pilot has the potential to become above average in the air?? However not sure this is a good idea as it makes the system even more subjective and I am pretty sure this may throw up other issues that could be open to challenge.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:52
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If you want your future CAS to be (probably) a 3* by the time he's about 50 (sorry! or she!)
That's a dated perspective on age vs rank. Service to 60 changed things immediately, most notably in the wg cdr / gp capt bracket where ambitious new promotees are told to expect 6-7 years in rank (there is a 4-year minimum seniority requirement and still the 'command and staff' hoops to jump through. The best will manage it in 5 years but that's still much slower than your example). Then 1* is no longer the holding rank that it was in the old days; there's now expectation of 3ish years as a Force Commander or ACOS in posts which have assumed more responsibility since the Levene reforms. It's only after that that things can really speed up. The new CAS was a 3* for less than a year...

My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:55
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
And of course in impacts on future VSOs - should you care about them!
.........but that assumes a future CAS will be a pilot......... (dons flak jacket)
I'd wager we'll manage a CAS with 1000hrs TT in the not to distant future at this rate, for sure.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:23
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I think one way to possibly address this would (in addition to fixing the training pipeline) be to introduce some form of a 'below the zone' promotion fix to remove the requirement of being 'above average' in the air prior to being considered by the board-
Hmmm! I've no doubt in latter years the need to be 'above-average' for promotion was being awarded regardless of actual ability. I flew with plenty of newly promoted Sqn Ldrs that were competent but most certainly not 'above-average' !
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post
My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
I wonder how theyíll retain people given the thrashings that OF5 and 6 seem to earn...
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by H Peacock View Post


Hmmm! I've no doubt in latter years the need to be 'above-average' for promotion was being awarded regardless of actual ability. I flew with plenty of newly promoted Sqn Ldrs that were competent but most certainly not 'above-average' !
No need to actually be Above Average, just written up as Above Average. Big difference.
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Old 26th May 2020, 16:17
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 21:43
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Last September we learnt, in the National Audit Office report, that there were 224 students on hold, waiting for a course.
Does anyone have any info on how this figure looks now, given that IOT was paused for several months and that pilot OASC boards stopped in March and won't resume until the new year.
Will this clear the backlog of 124 waiting for EFT?
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 04:38
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post
That's a dated perspective on age vs rank. Service to 60 changed things immediately, most notably in the wg cdr / gp capt bracket where ambitious new promotees are told to expect 6-7 years in rank (there is a 4-year minimum seniority requirement and still the 'command and staff' hoops to jump through. The best will manage it in 5 years but that's still much slower than your example). Then 1* is no longer the holding rank that it was in the old days; there's now expectation of 3ish years as a Force Commander or ACOS in posts which have assumed more responsibility since the Levene reforms. It's only after that that things can really speed up. The new CAS was a 3* for less than a year...

My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
Don’t forget you have to allow for time to recover from the operations

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:13
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Why does it have flot gear?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 16:32
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202 Sqn - MARITIME and mountain training
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 07:32
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202 Sqn - MARITIME and mountain training
But not any winching which is what 202 was supposed to be about. They might be doing some mountain flying but the system is still broken.
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Sky Sports View Post
202 Sqn - MARITIME and mountain training
Actually, just maritime under Ascent's plans. But as we approach the two and a half year point, how many students have been trained in maritime skills?
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Old 22nd Sep 2020, 20:45
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Originally Posted by TorqueOfTheDevil View Post
Actually, just maritime under Ascent's plans. But as we approach the two and a half year point, how many students have been trained in maritime skills?
The answer is a nice round number! 0

What is often forgotten is the crucial CRM and captaincy taught during the 202 phase. SARTU was placed before TACEX under the old system because the skills and experience learned were vital. The failure of the system (it is not all Ascentís fault) to provide winching training is a disgrace.

It is common knowledge amongst MFTS staff that Ascent refused to listen to people who knew what the solution to rotary training should be. They thought they knew better than people who had been delivering the training for years. They had A Cat DHFS instructors literally screaming at them, telling them their solution would not work, and explaining precisely why. They unfortunately did not listen.
It would be very difficult to overstate the Culpability the Ascent Rotary management team have in creating this regrettable situation.
However...
The MOD have not helped. In fact they have served only to add to the fundamental flaws in Ascents plan by adding layer upon layer of ridiculous requirements that have never been needed before. The risk-averse attitude of the MOD and the DDH - far beyond anything seen under DHFS - have ensured that this crucial training has not happened

I believe should be a public enquiry into this disaster of a project. Ascent management and MOD both need to be held fully accountable for this needless waste of hundreds of millions of Pounds of taxpayers money.



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Old 24th Sep 2020, 08:12
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever View Post
Donít forget you have to allow for time to recover from the operations

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Old 27th Sep 2020, 14:49
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj View Post
The answer is a nice round number! 0

What is often forgotten is the crucial CRM and captaincy taught during the 202 phase. SARTU was placed before TACEX under the old system because the skills and experience learned were vital. The failure of the system (it is not all Ascent’s fault) to provide winching training is a disgrace.

It is common knowledge amongst MFTS staff that Ascent refused to listen to people who knew what the solution to rotary training should be. They thought they knew better than people who had been delivering the training for years. They had A Cat DHFS instructors literally screaming at them, telling them their solution would not work, and explaining precisely why. They unfortunately did not listen.
It would be very difficult to overstate the Culpability the Ascent Rotary management team have in creating this regrettable situation.
However...
The MOD have not helped. In fact they have served only to add to the fundamental flaws in Ascents plan by adding layer upon layer of ridiculous requirements that have never been needed before. The risk-averse attitude of the MOD and the DDH - far beyond anything seen under DHFS - have ensured that this crucial training has not happened

I believe should be a public enquiry into this disaster of a project. Ascent management and MOD both need to be held fully accountable for this needless waste of hundreds of millions of Pounds of taxpayers money.
Totally understandable if one remembers that the first priority of the company is to make money and second priority to deliver a barely acceptable product at the end.

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Old 27th Sep 2020, 17:17
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The one thing that everyone here seems to miss is that the Infra for Ascent is outstanding.
Perhaps at the expense of the Unit they are based, but everything works. Whatís not to like?
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Old 2nd Oct 2020, 15:57
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Covid Impact on MFTS

Does anybody know what, if any, impact Covid has had on the MFTS courses? Are they all now running with 100% loading, or is it at reduced capacity? Has the backlog of students on hold waiting for courses got worse, or, has the suspension of RAF pilot selection since March helped to clear the backlog?
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 16:00
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Middle Wallop grading has just finished recently and I have 2 colleagues in the Rotary phase. One has been put on hold since July and is anticipating to start at Shawbury early in 21. The other was down in Jan/Feb at the final phase at Shawbury and said it’s not been a smooth course with various issues, but he didn’t get time to say what. Rotary courses are booked to come to MW in 21 with the Juno for their tactical phase.
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Old 3rd Oct 2020, 16:33
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I believe there are differences between what the military instructors and the Ascent ones are allowed to do re Covid.

One RAF/MOD/MAA element of the 202 cockup in the insistence on changing the cabin seats in the 145. The cabin and seating in a standard 145 allow winching without problems, you just don't get ridiculous Mil Spec 'crashworthy' seats and then have to limit the size of your rearcrew to gnomes!
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