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UK MFTS on or off the rails?

Old 7th Sep 2019, 09:10
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I doubt it.

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Old 7th Sep 2019, 10:05
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great View Post
I doubt it.

What he said! You only have to look at the expected IPS numbers at 2005, SDSR 10 and the predicted one for 2020 for the MOD to have a (pretty legitimate) "wasn't out fault, blame the political system" get out of jail free card.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 12:18
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And of course in impacts on future VSOs - should you care about them!

If you want your future CAS to be (probably) a 3* by the time he's about 50 (sorry! or she!), if you track back through the ranks, even with not much more than 3 years in each rank, you finish up with a sqn ldr in their (note gender neutral pronoun) early 30s - just about when these guys are currently getting to their first squadron.....

.........but that assumes a future CAS will be a pilot......... (dons flak jacket)
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:23
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I think one way to possibly address this would (in addition to fixing the training pipeline) be to introduce some form of a 'below the zone' promotion fix to remove the requirement of being 'above average' in the air prior to being considered by the board- maybe an acknowledgement that a junior 1st tourist pilot has the potential to become above average in the air?? However not sure this is a good idea as it makes the system even more subjective and I am pretty sure this may throw up other issues that could be open to challenge.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:52
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If you want your future CAS to be (probably) a 3* by the time he's about 50 (sorry! or she!)
That's a dated perspective on age vs rank. Service to 60 changed things immediately, most notably in the wg cdr / gp capt bracket where ambitious new promotees are told to expect 6-7 years in rank (there is a 4-year minimum seniority requirement and still the 'command and staff' hoops to jump through. The best will manage it in 5 years but that's still much slower than your example). Then 1* is no longer the holding rank that it was in the old days; there's now expectation of 3ish years as a Force Commander or ACOS in posts which have assumed more responsibility since the Levene reforms. It's only after that that things can really speed up. The new CAS was a 3* for less than a year...

My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 17:55
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Originally Posted by teeteringhead View Post
And of course in impacts on future VSOs - should you care about them!
.........but that assumes a future CAS will be a pilot......... (dons flak jacket)
I'd wager we'll manage a CAS with 1000hrs TT in the not to distant future at this rate, for sure.
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 18:23
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I think one way to possibly address this would (in addition to fixing the training pipeline) be to introduce some form of a 'below the zone' promotion fix to remove the requirement of being 'above average' in the air prior to being considered by the board-
Hmmm! I've no doubt in latter years the need to be 'above-average' for promotion was being awarded regardless of actual ability. I flew with plenty of newly promoted Sqn Ldrs that were competent but most certainly not 'above-average' !
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post
My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
I wonder how they’ll retain people given the thrashings that OF5 and 6 seem to earn...
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Old 7th Sep 2019, 21:12
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Originally Posted by H Peacock View Post


Hmmm! I've no doubt in latter years the need to be 'above-average' for promotion was being awarded regardless of actual ability. I flew with plenty of newly promoted Sqn Ldrs that were competent but most certainly not 'above-average' !
No need to actually be Above Average, just written up as Above Average. Big difference.
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Old 26th May 2020, 16:17
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Another Jupiter

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Old 9th Sep 2020, 21:43
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Last September we learnt, in the National Audit Office report, that there were 224 students on hold, waiting for a course.
Does anyone have any info on how this figure looks now, given that IOT was paused for several months and that pilot OASC boards stopped in March and won't resume until the new year.
Will this clear the backlog of 124 waiting for EFT?
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 04:38
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post
That's a dated perspective on age vs rank. Service to 60 changed things immediately, most notably in the wg cdr / gp capt bracket where ambitious new promotees are told to expect 6-7 years in rank (there is a 4-year minimum seniority requirement and still the 'command and staff' hoops to jump through. The best will manage it in 5 years but that's still much slower than your example). Then 1* is no longer the holding rank that it was in the old days; there's now expectation of 3ish years as a Force Commander or ACOS in posts which have assumed more responsibility since the Levene reforms. It's only after that that things can really speed up. The new CAS was a 3* for less than a year...

My sense is that 1* by 47-48ish is today's marker of potential. You're still right that the current crop of junior officers are going to struggle :-(
Don’t forget you have to allow for time to recover from the operations

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:13
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Why does it have flot gear?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 16:32
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202 Sqn - MARITIME and mountain training
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 06:49
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Originally Posted by TorqueOfTheDevil View Post
Why does it have flot gear?
Pictured at Shawshank, but bound for SARTU (in old money) at Vallcatraz.

Both places marginally better than Cranditz!

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Old 16th Sep 2020, 06:54
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever View Post
Don’t forget you have to allow for time to recover from the operations

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202 Sqn - MARITIME and mountain training
But not any winching which is what 202 was supposed to be about. They might be doing some mountain flying but the system is still broken.
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