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So why are the Austrians ditching Typhoon?

Old 22nd Jul 2020, 10:15
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And who would blame them, though I guess they could also be on the hunt for Salzburger Nockerl.
I would settle for a glass or three of Trumer Pils. Hic...
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Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters ? Alert 5

Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters

Austria’s Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has officially responded to Indonesia’s request to buy 15 Eurofighters from her country.

Tanner said she had directed the General Staff to prepare for negotiations with Jakarta. She said the “exit from the Eurofighter system” is the declared goal and the sale is in the best interest of taxpayers.

Two options are available for the sale to proceed. First, the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia. Alternatively, Airbus will buy back the planes, upgrade them and sell them to the South East Asian nation instead.....
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The piccies of the Austrian jets with their very fine "Fin Art" are very good, weather looks not too good, flat shows I imagine, especially with the ground going up very high!

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Originally Posted by Finningley Boy View Post
The piccies of the Austrian jets with their very fine "Fin Art" are very good, weather looks not too good, flat shows I imagine, especially with the ground going up very high!

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Thanks, it was atrocious weather on the saturday show but as the Friday preparations was stunning blue sky and hot as hell.

Anyway begs the question will the Bundesheer purchase the Gripen or F-16? Then again anything could happen in the next 2 years.

Maybe Jakarta and Vienna Exchange jets...F-16 for Typhoon.

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Old 8th Sep 2020, 03:43
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Can a Eurofighter even perform within the limits of Austrian airspace? I'd think it would be well over the border during any high speed maneuvers.
Was there any plausible military rationale for this acquisition or was it purely a political purchase?
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
Can a Eurofighter even perform within the limits of Austrian airspace? I'd think it would be well over the border during any high speed maneuvers.
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Just out of interest how big do you think Austria is?
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Just out of interest how big do you think Austria is?
Had to google it, bigger than I thought, about twice the size of Switzerland. Still pretty small for anything supersonic.
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I fear a geography lesson maybe required....
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Originally Posted by Valiantone View Post
I fear a geography lesson maybe required....
Why? To reassure us that Austria borders only on peaceful countries? At 400 kts, the long axis of the country takes less than an hour, half that going north south.
I do not see the military role in the current environment for Typhoon, it seems more appropriate for the cold war era, when anything coming from the east could be deemed hostile.
So imho Austria did great to find a (sucker) buyer for their expensive jets.
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
Why? To reassure us that Austria borders only on peaceful countries? At 400 kts, the long axis of the country takes less than an hour, half that going north south.
I do not see the military role in the current environment for Typhoon, it seems more appropriate for the cold war era, when anything coming from the east could be deemed hostile.
So imho Austria did great to find a (sucker) buyer for their expensive jets.
Hmmmmmmmm............
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
Had to google it, bigger than I thought, about twice the size of Switzerland. Still pretty small for anything supersonic.

So there is more than Geography that you might need to get a handle on!
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The Austrians claim to have no money for any jet fighters but still want some and need to finally phase out their old SAAB 105s. So why not buy second hand F-16 from anyone of those F-35 customers? Or early built Gripen from Sweden? There IS stuff available for cheap. Just look at commercial target display companies. From Skyhawks to Mirages you can make old fighters work hard today.
What they seem to mainly need is some fast patrol and visual inspection plane only it seems. No A-G. Their Eurofighters had only VERY limited armament.
Austria is not poor so I don't get what takes them so long?
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The Austrians claim to have no money for any jet fighters but still want some and need to finally phase out their old SAAB 105s. So why not buy second hand F-16 from anyone of those F-35 customers? Or early built Gripen from Sweden? There IS stuff available for cheap. Just look at commercial target display companies. From Skyhawks to Mirages you can make old fighters work hard today.
What they seem to mainly need is some fast patrol and visual inspection plane only it seems. No A-G. Their Eurofighters had only VERY limited armament.
Austria is not poor so I don't get what takes them so long?
Their constitution seems to make things hard for themselves, although I'm curious to know what Saab did after all these years to piss them off that they chucked out the Gripen option so quickly, given that up until they bought those Eurofighters, Austria has pretty much only bought Saab's since their first post WW2 fighter buy of refurbed J-29's from Sweden in the early 60's, and then the 105's which are still soldering on, but their lack of suitability for defending their airspace led to the late 80's buy of the Saab Draken's, which were replaced by the Eurofighters.
Or there was some 'interesting politics' going on behind the scenes, that froze the Swedes out.
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I can't remember where, but I seem to have a snippet in my head about the RAF lobbying Wallace & Cummings (or whoever it is) for an additional two Typhoon Squadrons? Were it so, then a buy of the 15 the Austrians have would help remedy this aspiration, at least to the tune of a single squadron!? Further, the Austrians, as has been suggested, could have a chat with the Belgians, Dutch, Danes and Norwegians about picking their pick of the soon to be surfeit of F-16s.

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Those are tranche 1 early ones and of no use to the RAF. Different data bus and capabilities.
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Typhoon has a very bad name in Austria for bribery during the buy and cost to keep flying.
Gripen would have been a much better choice with their neighbours
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Very wide of the mark Etudiant
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Very wide of the mark Etudiant
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Perhaps so, please enlighten me as to why.
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Since Bundesheer has selected the AW169M , wonder if any bearing on the Typhoon situ. Strangely enough, with the original purchase of Typhoon , Leoanrdo or then Aeritalia (?) was not mentioned....

https://www.bundesheer.at/cms/artikel.php?ID=10583

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