Masters of the Air
Only advice on that (assuming they're releasing weekly) is clearly to wait until the whole thing is available!
DTR2,`WIKI` has the answers....
I picked up a copy of 'Greyhound' a while back off ebay, although I'm reasonably sure it was bootleg. 'Greyhound' did finally show up on DVD from Amazon, but it took several years...
Given a bet between a) a trailer being hyped up to attract the maximum audience possible and b) Spielberg + hanks doing anything other than treating the subject with the respect it deserves, I genuinely am amazed that anyone thinks b) is remotely likely given their track record.
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Early E and F models did have 7.92mm MG17 machine guns fitted, as did very early version of the Fw190, but by the time the USAAF started its missions in earnest in 1943, the Bf109 and Fw190 in service were all fitted with various combinations of the 13mm MG131 heavy mg, and MG151 20mm cannons.
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The 13mm was reportedly adopted as a counter to the large US bombers. They replaced the 7.92mm in the Bf109 from spring 1943, and those in the Fw190 models in November 1943. Until those new models were available in numbers, then the older 7.92mm were still around. The 338th was first in action in May 1943, so plenty of 7.92mm around for some time still, to have hit those googles.
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Just watched the first 2 episodes & there was an emphasis on the night time RAF area bombing vs USAAF precision daylight bombing. The take away being that the USAAF were more careful... 🤔 Now, I'm clearly no expert & happy to learn something new, but I always thought that it was a skill issue more than anything. I have no basis or evidence of that, merely hearsay but could someone with a better grasp of the different tactics be able to 'educate me' here please?
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
Just watched the first 2 episodes & there was an emphasis on the night time RAF area bombing vs USAAF precision daylight bombing. The take away being that the USAAF were more careful... 🤔 Now, I'm clearly no expert & happy to learn something new, but I always thought that it was a skill issue more than anything. I have no basis or evidence of that, merely hearsay but could someone with a better grasp of the different tactics be able to 'educate me' here please?
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
Having read the book, and other works as well, I think the show did capture the extreme dangers, fog of war, unfortunate circumstances, youth of the crews, bearing the loss of friends and the courage it takes to climb on board the next flight.
Just watched the first 2 episodes & there was an emphasis on the night time RAF area bombing vs USAAF precision daylight bombing. The take away being that the USAAF were more careful... 🤔 Now, I'm clearly no expert & happy to learn something new, but I always thought that it was a skill issue more than anything. I have no basis or evidence of that, merely hearsay but could someone with a better grasp of the different tactics be able to 'educate me' here please?
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
As a TV show, it was okay. A bit slow, a bit surreal when compared to BoB & TP but I'll continue watching.
I watched both episodes last night. Cheesy and cliched, with the usual Spielberg/Hanks mocking of the British. The RAF personnel in the pub were classic stereotypes.
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IMHO there was no difference as although the US had the Norden bombsight which worked very well in testing in the USA, it did not work as well in the very different ETO.
Later as I understand it the US adopted bombing on a leaders signal. Given that the formations could be many miles long it is not conducive to precision bombing.
Perhaps the Dams raid was one of the first precision bombing raids of the war.
Pic is of a B17 we visited at Palm Springs Museum. My wife was appalled at how narrow it was inside and very emotional thinking of all those brave men risking their lives.
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Later as I understand it the US adopted bombing on a leaders signal. Given that the formations could be many miles long it is not conducive to precision bombing.
Perhaps the Dams raid was one of the first precision bombing raids of the war.
Pic is of a B17 we visited at Palm Springs Museum. My wife was appalled at how narrow it was inside and very emotional thinking of all those brave men risking their lives.
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"The Brits precision-bombed area targets by night, the Yanks area-bombed precision targets by day." The nett results were exactly the same; that's all the technology allowed in those days. Mind you: Sorpe dam after being visited by IX Sqn in 1944 using TALLBOYs and the Mk XIV bombsight:
The RAF attack on Dresden was followed up by a USAAF attack. Even in daylight with target still smoking some 200 aircraft managed to bomb Prague. This is not a slur on the Americans, the RAF managed to miss one city by 95 miles, but more an indication of the infancy of technology and the inevitable fog of war.
One of the best books on the subject is Combat Crew by John Comer. Their B-17s were stacked in threes to concentrate defensive fire in formations about a mile long. In front was the leader, with deputies positioned to take over if he was hit. When the lead bombardier opened his bomb doors, the others followed suit, watching for his bombs to fall, when they too pressed the button, the target receiving a simultaneous rain of bombs half a mile wide and one mile long. So it wasn't carpet bombing?
Did any air force match the precision of RAF attacks on the Mohne Dam, Tirpitz, vast submarine factories with 30ft of reinforced concrete, V2 and V3 weapons sites, Bielefeld viaduct which had withstood two years of conventional attacks?
As to the new movie itself, the CGI formations looked like the youngsters' video games on Tiktok. Though in fairness nobody can match William Wyler's original Memphis Belle.of 1944. This has been well restored at
Did any air force match the precision of RAF attacks on the Mohne Dam, Tirpitz, vast submarine factories with 30ft of reinforced concrete, V2 and V3 weapons sites, Bielefeld viaduct which had withstood two years of conventional attacks?
As to the new movie itself, the CGI formations looked like the youngsters' video games on Tiktok. Though in fairness nobody can match William Wyler's original Memphis Belle.of 1944. This has been well restored at
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Did any air force match the precision of RAF attacks on the Mohne Dam, Tirpitz, vast submarine factories with 30ft of reinforced concrete, V2 and V3 weapons
V3 was the long-range gun battery aligned on London which could deliver steady rain of 210lb shells per minute across the Channel. Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Mimoyecques