A nuclear 'occurrence'?
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A nuclear 'occurrence'?
Certainly looks like something has happened.
I guess that if these traces hang around then we're looking at a leaking reactor, which could constantly replenish the short-lived I131. And if they disappear soon then it's not something that is leaking uncontrollably - a fixed leak or (unlikely because no one's heard the bang) a weapon test.
I imagine that some subs are probably being sent hither and thither too, getting seawater samples from all over. Presumably if this is in the air but not in the sea then we're looking at a land based incident. Though I don't suppose anyone is about to tell us where their subs are going.
I guess that if these traces hang around then we're looking at a leaking reactor, which could constantly replenish the short-lived I131. And if they disappear soon then it's not something that is leaking uncontrollably - a fixed leak or (unlikely because no one's heard the bang) a weapon test.
I imagine that some subs are probably being sent hither and thither too, getting seawater samples from all over. Presumably if this is in the air but not in the sea then we're looking at a land based incident. Though I don't suppose anyone is about to tell us where their subs are going.
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According to the second Figure in the article as per URL mentioned by the topic starter, Iodine-131 level in Poland is some 10-20 times higher than in all other territories observed.
AFAIK, there are no such powerplants in that country (or they are?), thus maybe something happened in the neighbouring countries?
AFAIK, there are no such powerplants in that country (or they are?), thus maybe something happened in the neighbouring countries?
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Fitter2 - nice one!
My guess - the Russkies had another pile fire, this time a small one and most likely military hence the silence - Murmansk caught my eye. Overlaying reactor locations on that sampling map would be useful.
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That Norwegian site is about as close as you can get to Murmansk - and there are a load of old subs, ice breakers and god knows what with Npower plants scattered along the coast from Kirkenes to Murmansk
Looks like the US is getting a good return on investment with the WC-135's- 1962 series aircraft I believe, and they were almost headed to the boneyard a few years ago before things heated up in N. Korea.
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This US aircraft should be permanently located near Japan because what the Japanese are regularly flushing into the Pacific (and that finally reaches the US West Coast) is million times higher that those nano levels detected in Europe.
In Europe it could come from lots of sources: even a very shallow search shows that a similar situation was in autumn 2011 when there was a small leak of some stuff in Hungary at the plant where medical sensors were manufactured using radioactive isotopes. This could happen everywhere. Oh, sorry, of course the Russians are to be blamed: they developed Katrina and sent it to New Orleans and also they are boiling El Nino from time to time :-)
In Europe it could come from lots of sources: even a very shallow search shows that a similar situation was in autumn 2011 when there was a small leak of some stuff in Hungary at the plant where medical sensors were manufactured using radioactive isotopes. This could happen everywhere. Oh, sorry, of course the Russians are to be blamed: they developed Katrina and sent it to New Orleans and also they are boiling El Nino from time to time :-)
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I think the planes are often in Japan Van - watching the short fat guy with the really bad haircut............
Tho I'm sure you're right - probabaly a very small scale leak
Tho I'm sure you're right - probabaly a very small scale leak
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Worse than that Chris they were unmanned and some were swiped for scrap.
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HH,
Yes, "get shorty" is something that must be done, finally. But there is another issue in Europe on the topic under consideration: there are 4 powerplants in Ukraine (incl. ill-fated Chernobyl) that use Russia-made fuel elements (it was part of the design). But recently the Ukrainian regime (that hates the Russian one) decided to purchase the fuel from Westinghouse and this change already resulted in several accidents when even the reactors had to be shut down and then re-started. The latest shut-down was on Jan. 17th this year, BTW. Competent scientists periodically warn the operators that they are playing with fire, but the latter don't listen to "egg-headed". They really have a short memory.
NutLoose,
May I kindly suggest you to look at the map, your knowledge of geography is insufficient. Your first link is about far east and the second one is about Taymyr - thousands miles away from Murmansk. Even less relevant to the topic than H-bombs lost by US bombers.
Yes, "get shorty" is something that must be done, finally. But there is another issue in Europe on the topic under consideration: there are 4 powerplants in Ukraine (incl. ill-fated Chernobyl) that use Russia-made fuel elements (it was part of the design). But recently the Ukrainian regime (that hates the Russian one) decided to purchase the fuel from Westinghouse and this change already resulted in several accidents when even the reactors had to be shut down and then re-started. The latest shut-down was on Jan. 17th this year, BTW. Competent scientists periodically warn the operators that they are playing with fire, but the latter don't listen to "egg-headed". They really have a short memory.
NutLoose,
May I kindly suggest you to look at the map, your knowledge of geography is insufficient. Your first link is about far east and the second one is about Taymyr - thousands miles away from Murmansk. Even less relevant to the topic than H-bombs lost by US bombers.
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But recently the Ukrainian regime (that hates the Russian one)