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Al R 21st Feb 2017 04:36

A nuclear 'occurrence'?
 
Well, it is a rumour network.

Has There Been A ?Nuclear Incident? In The Arctic? - The Drive

msbbarratt 21st Feb 2017 05:53

Certainly looks like something has happened.

I guess that if these traces hang around then we're looking at a leaking reactor, which could constantly replenish the short-lived I131. And if they disappear soon then it's not something that is leaking uncontrollably - a fixed leak or (unlikely because no one's heard the bang) a weapon test.

I imagine that some subs are probably being sent hither and thither too, getting seawater samples from all over. Presumably if this is in the air but not in the sea then we're looking at a land based incident. Though I don't suppose anyone is about to tell us where their subs are going.

A_Van 21st Feb 2017 06:01

According to the second Figure in the article as per URL mentioned by the topic starter, Iodine-131 level in Poland is some 10-20 times higher than in all other territories observed.

AFAIK, there are no such powerplants in that country (or they are?), thus maybe something happened in the neighbouring countries?

Buster Hyman 21st Feb 2017 06:42

So...something DID happen in Sweden then....:}:}:}

ORAC 21st Feb 2017 07:59

What were the wind patterns at the time?

chopper2004 21st Feb 2017 08:19

Constant Phoenix @ EGUN
 
That's why there's a WC-135W arrived over the weekend at the 'Hall

https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/1...ted-in-europe/

Cheers

Fitter2 21st Feb 2017 08:31

Apparently (from the aviationist article)


crew compliments are kept to a minimum
I've always found a bit of praise raises morale.

NutLoose 21st Feb 2017 08:52

Yep, they would appreciate the odd compliment.


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josephfeatherweight 21st Feb 2017 09:18

Fitter2 - nice one!

Fonsini 21st Feb 2017 13:09

My guess - the Russkies had another pile fire, this time a small one and most likely military hence the silence - Murmansk caught my eye. Overlaying reactor locations on that sampling map would be useful.

Davef68 21st Feb 2017 13:39

Better get the VC10 up there.......oh, wait....does Voyager have that capacity?

Heathrow Harry 21st Feb 2017 13:45

That Norwegian site is about as close as you can get to Murmansk - and there are a load of old subs, ice breakers and god knows what with Npower plants scattered along the coast from Kirkenes to Murmansk

sandiego89 21st Feb 2017 14:44

Looks like the US is getting a good return on investment with the WC-135's- 1962 series aircraft I believe, and they were almost headed to the boneyard a few years ago before things heated up in N. Korea.

A_Van 21st Feb 2017 14:57

This US aircraft should be permanently located near Japan because what the Japanese are regularly flushing into the Pacific (and that finally reaches the US West Coast) is million times higher that those nano levels detected in Europe.
In Europe it could come from lots of sources: even a very shallow search shows that a similar situation was in autumn 2011 when there was a small leak of some stuff in Hungary at the plant where medical sensors were manufactured using radioactive isotopes. This could happen everywhere. Oh, sorry, of course the Russians are to be blamed: they developed Katrina and sent it to New Orleans and also they are boiling El Nino from time to time :-)

Heathrow Harry 21st Feb 2017 15:07

I think the planes are often in Japan Van - watching the short fat guy with the really bad haircut............

Tho I'm sure you're right - probabaly a very small scale leak

Chris Kebab 21st Feb 2017 15:26

I am even more staggered by the idea of nuclear powered lighthouses (OP's link) - is it just me who has never heard of them before:confused:

NutLoose 21st Feb 2017 16:11

Worse than that Chris they were unmanned and some were swiped for scrap.

Abandoned Russian Polar Nuclear Lighthouses | English Russia

Two nuclear generators missing in Arctic | Barentsobserver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

A_Van 21st Feb 2017 16:19

HH,

Yes, "get shorty" is something that must be done, finally. But there is another issue in Europe on the topic under consideration: there are 4 powerplants in Ukraine (incl. ill-fated Chernobyl) that use Russia-made fuel elements (it was part of the design). But recently the Ukrainian regime (that hates the Russian one) decided to purchase the fuel from Westinghouse and this change already resulted in several accidents when even the reactors had to be shut down and then re-started. The latest shut-down was on Jan. 17th this year, BTW. Competent scientists periodically warn the operators that they are playing with fire, but the latter don't listen to "egg-headed". They really have a short memory.


NutLoose,

May I kindly suggest you to look at the map, your knowledge of geography is insufficient. Your first link is about far east and the second one is about Taymyr - thousands miles away from Murmansk. Even less relevant to the topic than H-bombs lost by US bombers.

NutLoose 21st Feb 2017 16:22


But recently the Ukrainian regime (that hates the Russian one)
No sh*t....I wonder why?

Chris Kebab 21st Feb 2017 16:38

Well there you go; thanks for that Nutty, learn something every day.


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