Public Interest Lawyers/Phil Shiner
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About three years ago on this forum I suggested that PIL had crossed the line from seeking redress for their clients to the hounding of servicemen that had become harassment all financed by public money.
These posts quickly vanished from the forum no doubt for fear the very sharp Mr Shinner would go after the website owners in court.
Now I think it is time for those who have been harassed over the years to take PIL's prime movers to court, justice would be served very well if those who ran PIL found themselfs on the thick end of leagal action to remove them from the money they took from the public purse, the prime mover in PIL has already admitted wrong doing so it should not take too much work to extract damages in court.
These posts quickly vanished from the forum no doubt for fear the very sharp Mr Shinner would go after the website owners in court.
Now I think it is time for those who have been harassed over the years to take PIL's prime movers to court, justice would be served very well if those who ran PIL found themselfs on the thick end of leagal action to remove them from the money they took from the public purse, the prime mover in PIL has already admitted wrong doing so it should not take too much work to extract damages in court.
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Cut this Pr00ne out of this site , he is only using it to cause hurt to the military, their family and friends. Maybe his name is really pr00tin?
Cut this Pr00ne out of this site , he is only using it to cause hurt to the military, their family and friends. Maybe his name is really pr00tin?
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MACH2NUMBER, actually Comrade pr00ne did serve in the RAF. As he himself wrote on 9 Nov 2004:
Anyway, back on topic, it's good to see that there are some good people around such as Johnny Mercer - and his parliamentary colleague who let him know that he had been asked by one of the MoD officials to write a negative piece about him for a newspaper...
His report will make interesting reading next month! Although MoD probably won't like it...
Yep, I consider myself to have been a pretty useful asset, fairly accomplished Flt Lt, and I was considered a useful F-4 front seater even if I was only ever a Sqn shag.
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!
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I’m a Barrister, not a “commercial lawyer” look it up in a dictionary……………..
I did 2 tours cr FJ, how many did you do?
As to jacking it in, well, I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions, wouldn’t let me grow my hair long (it was the mid 70’s after all!) didn’t like the fact I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM and had absolutely no interest in secondary duties. So I went, and not quietly!
BTW,
I’m a Barrister, not a “commercial lawyer” look it up in a dictionary……………..
His report will make interesting reading next month! Although MoD probably won't like it...
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There is a gravy train here for those who run these witch hunts and all with a sorce of money that is sure to pay up.
There is little wonder that someone who wants to stop their cushy little number of harassing innocent and leagaly defenceless servicemen is bound to incur the wrath on these vermin.
There is little wonder that someone who wants to stop their cushy little number of harassing innocent and leagaly defenceless servicemen is bound to incur the wrath on these vermin.
Some interesting but simple complaints there.
I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions.
Isn't that just the chain of command you find in all large organisations?
wouldn’t let me grow my hair long
C'mon, did you ever think that you'd be permitted to appear any way you wished?
You should have been a French hussar of the 18th/19th c who wore braids of hair hanging on either side of the face.
I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM
Easy, move out and socialise with civillian neighbours.
(Wish I'd done that much earlier than I did)
had absolutely no interest in secondary duties
Ha ha, 's wot you signed up for.
I was OC Sub-aqua club; it was great getting indulgence travel to Malta and Mauritius on diving expeditions. OO & SDO didn't come around too often.
Anyway, you had the skill and application to make FJ. Sounds like you should be very glad to have served in HM forces and you'll always have those memories.
I got a bit fed up of living in an organisation that had Medieval class distinctions.
Isn't that just the chain of command you find in all large organisations?
wouldn’t let me grow my hair long
C'mon, did you ever think that you'd be permitted to appear any way you wished?
You should have been a French hussar of the 18th/19th c who wore braids of hair hanging on either side of the face.
I wanted to have a separate social life from the OM
Easy, move out and socialise with civillian neighbours.
(Wish I'd done that much earlier than I did)
had absolutely no interest in secondary duties
Ha ha, 's wot you signed up for.
I was OC Sub-aqua club; it was great getting indulgence travel to Malta and Mauritius on diving expeditions. OO & SDO didn't come around too often.
Anyway, you had the skill and application to make FJ. Sounds like you should be very glad to have served in HM forces and you'll always have those memories.
Basil,
Very astute comments observations. However, your last sentence detracts from many of the fine people who had the skill and application to make FJ and are glad of their experience. In 6 FJ tours I have only met 2 like Mr P, but as they say, there is always one cuckoo in the nest.
Very astute comments observations. However, your last sentence detracts from many of the fine people who had the skill and application to make FJ and are glad of their experience. In 6 FJ tours I have only met 2 like Mr P, but as they say, there is always one cuckoo in the nest.
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Now then, now then, now then, fair dues to the fella after all it's just business now and a man needs to get his name up in lights these days and what better way to do it on p-prune which as we all know IS closely monitored by the press..
your last sentence detracts from many of the fine people who had the skill and application to make FJ
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Must have been a great wrench to leave the RAF with its medieval class distinctions to join a modern organisation that wears wigs and gowns, and to call people m'lud and my learned friend.
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I got a bit fed up of
Did a barrister write that?
Clearly, command of the English language is no longer a requirement.
I got a bit fed up of
Did a barrister write that?
Clearly, command of the English language is no longer a requirement.
This pr00ne is clearly a troll; nothing annoys a troll more than being ignored. Please copy.
I well remember visiting my friend Capt. John Gerelli and his C Coy 2 Queen's who were stationed on the Lower Falls Road in Belfast when the Army went in aid of the civil power on August 17 1969. As in Derry/Londonderry a few days before, the troops successfully separated the warring factions and were welcomed by the communities they had gone to protect.
I was pleased to see the locals bring out another tray of tea and buns for the troops who had been on street duty for 38 hours non-stop, but John told me not to kid myself. "They're glad to see us now, but in six months we'll end up being pig in the middle. We always do." How right he was ...
I well remember visiting my friend Capt. John Gerelli and his C Coy 2 Queen's who were stationed on the Lower Falls Road in Belfast when the Army went in aid of the civil power on August 17 1969. As in Derry/Londonderry a few days before, the troops successfully separated the warring factions and were welcomed by the communities they had gone to protect.
I was pleased to see the locals bring out another tray of tea and buns for the troops who had been on street duty for 38 hours non-stop, but John told me not to kid myself. "They're glad to see us now, but in six months we'll end up being pig in the middle. We always do." How right he was ...
Er, you do realise what that fictional speech is attempting to defend don't you?
The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder.
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The only point it makes is the totally deluded attitude of those in uniform who think that they have a right to unjustified, pointless, cold blooded murder.
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Surely unless someone has marched unarmed inoffensive civilians to line up along a wall then shot them all dead, certainly to be the individual giving the orders to the firing squad is one thing, but where Soldiers have been confronted by such a slippery enemy as the IRA are entitled to the benefit of the doubt?
I may be taking, in your view certainly, a simplistic line. But what more do you expect, and I'll say it, from predominantly young men between 18 and 20 something, who have opened fire in the most testing circumstances. Young men of course who in all likelihood have not the aptitude and mental application to pursue the level of study which you clearly have, in order to reach a standard of understanding of the law that they may be trusted to take years so many years after the event, in order to pick over the exact rights and wrongs of a single shot fired in anger which in the horrendous NI situation saw soldiers effectively on a war footing governed by a legal system which was at peace. British Governments of both the mainstream left and right have seen fit to place those young men in the middle of those circumstances, some are more cerebral than others, but still have to act in seconds rather than deliberate over years before squeezing the trigger or not.
When you were toting the Nuclear Bomb on the centre line of your F-4 after being scrambled, at what point would you have started to wonder whether you were justified in proceeding to toss it toward the middle of East Germany, think of the circumstances conjured up in the film 'Fail Safe'!
Or Dr Strangelove if it is more familiar.
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