MiG-29K from the Kuznetsov has crashed in the Med...
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Thus STOBAR is a fudge that barely works at all, STOVL (powered lift) works within its considerable limitations (one being virtually unaffordable aircraft) but no matter how you package it, of the three methods cats and traps works best by a country mile...
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but no matter how you package it, of the three methods cats and traps works best by a country mile...
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"Serious investment" is right and is why people are willing to adopt STOBAR & STOVL to save money
Not saying that's a wise decision but a full-scale carrier is vast investment for anyone - evern the USN have trouble funding new ones
Not saying that's a wise decision but a full-scale carrier is vast investment for anyone - evern the USN have trouble funding new ones
Possible design for the next-generation Russian carrier. Project 23000E Storm.
23000E Storm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_23000E
23000E Storm
with four launching positions (two ski-jump ramps and two electromagnetic catapults)
And why USN has stuck to cats and traps all these decades. Of course this requires a serious investment to equip the ship with such and a serious investment in training to enable the pilots to use such equipment routinely in all weather conditions and at night.
Not to mention a redesign of the airframe to accept the launch and recovery loads which usually incurs a weight penalty.
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On page 1 of this thread 'Dan Winterland' remarked:
ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV at WAR Jan 2017 Babak Taghvaee with Thomas Newdick
Combat Aircraft Magazine January 2017 Volume 18 Number 1
"The aircraft flamed out while waiting for the deck to clear. No TAT (Terminal Air Tanker) it seems. The MiG29 isn't usually flush for fuel."
"...A day before the Northern Fleet warships sailed, the Admiral Kuznetsov was seen at Severomorsk with four MiG-29KR/KUBRs and five Su-33s arranged on deck.
Equipped with new electronic countermeasures and aerial refueling pods, it was expected that the two-seat MiG-29KUBRs would perform a role similar to the US Navy’s EA-18G Growler and F/A-18F tanker. Otherwise, the main task of single- and two-seat MiGs should be participation in strike missions...."
Equipped with new electronic countermeasures and aerial refueling pods, it was expected that the two-seat MiG-29KUBRs would perform a role similar to the US Navy’s EA-18G Growler and F/A-18F tanker. Otherwise, the main task of single- and two-seat MiGs should be participation in strike missions...."
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Spaz,
Good spot. A little digging on the net shows that Cobham have delivered a buddy-buddy pod for the Su-30 (Type 754) and there's also a pod for the Mig-29 - actually, it looks more like a palette, I'm not sure if it's jettisonable. Link below - please ignore the title - the pictures for the Su-30 and Mig-29 are there.
Tajas FOC Updates: In-flight refueling probe testing to begin soon on LCA-Tejas
It looks as if the carrier may not have had its tanker airborne for the recovery. Or they just ran out of time as the deck issues happened.
Best regards as ever to all naval aviators
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Good spot. A little digging on the net shows that Cobham have delivered a buddy-buddy pod for the Su-30 (Type 754) and there's also a pod for the Mig-29 - actually, it looks more like a palette, I'm not sure if it's jettisonable. Link below - please ignore the title - the pictures for the Su-30 and Mig-29 are there.
Tajas FOC Updates: In-flight refueling probe testing to begin soon on LCA-Tejas
It looks as if the carrier may not have had its tanker airborne for the recovery. Or they just ran out of time as the deck issues happened.
Best regards as ever to all naval aviators
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Thanks 'Engines'. Slightly off topic yet relevant - excellent archive of ARF material:
http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress.com/
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http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress.com/
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https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%...D5CE9900A01C54
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Video above has been edited with all the boring ruskie talking head bits deleted - see it before the music is probably muted - changed musick.
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Love the video, Spaz, nice look at the recovery.
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Well produced Ruskie fillum with good details & soothing martial musick PLUS reasons to be cheerful NOT from USNI.
https://news.usni.org/2017/01/06/rus...-mediterranean
https://news.usni.org/2017/01/06/rus...-mediterranean
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Includes the outtakes - with the SU-33 ejection after a cable break at the start...
https://www.rt.com/news/369209-admiral-kuznetsov-su-33/
https://www.rt.com/news/369209-admiral-kuznetsov-su-33/
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It seems a little unwise of Cobham to be producing and selling buddy-refuelling pods for these things though no doubt they have all the legals in place to do so.
Just seems a bit risky to me. Why help their offensive capabilities when we or our allies are likely to be on the receiving end at some stage?
Just seems a bit risky to me. Why help their offensive capabilities when we or our allies are likely to be on the receiving end at some stage?
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When Kuznetzov finally goes into dock, where will we get our ... laughs, winces, giggles and OMGs?
I bet the pilots will be glad to be reassigned, though!
I bet the pilots will be glad to be reassigned, though!
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What is the "flagship " of the RN? HMS Victory I guess................ and the USN? "USS Constitution" - only 220 years in service
No doubt we'll get all the Russian Naval Scare stories again when the Kutznetzov comes back up Channel......................
No doubt we'll get all the Russian Naval Scare stories again when the Kutznetzov comes back up Channel......................