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"Improve your treatment of Xinjiang province Uyghurs and we might agree to that"
(They probably won't, but who knows?)
Saw another article that pointed out how useless the USN's LCS ships are. They make up about one fifth of the surface fleet (by hull count) but are more or less not fit for purpose: just as many of us pointed out 20 years ago when that program went live. (For my money, they all ought to be either buried, like the Aussie NH-90, or sold/gifted to various coast guards around the world at a deep discount).
They can't be used in an op like the Red Sea op currently underway.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
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Saw another article that pointed out how useless the USN's LCS ships are. They make up about one fifth of the surface fleet (by hull count) but are more or less not fit for purpose: just as many of us pointed out 20 years ago when that program went live. (For my money, they all ought to be either buried, like the Aussie NH-90, or sold/gifted to various coast guards around the world at a deep discount).
They can't be used in an op like the Red Sea op currently underway.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
This has a succinct summary of the problems both classes of LCS has.
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Saw another article that pointed out how useless the USN's LCS ships are. They make up about one fifth of the surface fleet (by hull count) but are more or less not fit for purpose: just as many of us pointed out 20 years ago when that program went live. (For my money, they all ought to be either buried, like the Aussie NH-90, or sold/gifted to various coast guards around the world at a deep discount).
They can't be used in an op like the Red Sea op currently underway.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
Saw another article that pointed out how useless the USN's LCS ships are. They make up about one fifth of the surface fleet (by hull count) but are more or less not fit for purpose: just as many of us pointed out 20 years ago when that program went live. (For my money, they all ought to be either buried, like the Aussie NH-90, or sold/gifted to various coast guards around the world at a deep discount).
They can't be used in an op like the Red Sea op currently underway.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
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Are you casting aspersions at our shiny new flat tops, Commander ?
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LFH
They can't be used in an op like the Red Sea op currently underway.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
Why?
They can't knock a missile out of the sky. (Though they do have a nominal self defense capability).
Some of them can embark a helicopter, but for this case that's not much help.
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This is not just a problem for the LCS. Many Western Navies frigates or even destroyers would have problems with the sophistication of the anti ship missiles now available to terrorist groups, especially anti ship ballistic missiles. I don't think the LCS as a concept is necessarily flawed, however it is unfortunately a case study in the abject failure of the Naval capability procurement process.
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When they restricted themselves to internal carnage, the world at large was not overly bothered. It was when they tried to involve other folk that the word started to sit up an take notice. If they leave the ships alone and stop lobbing missiles at other countries than interest will soon wan again,
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the distinction I am making is that if you have a proper surface combatant (like a Burke class DDG) it has a Aegis/Spy-1 suite that lets it pick up and engage Ballistic and Cruise missiles.
As an added bonus, they can operate an MH-60R (the newer version of the SH-60B I flew) which has a good enough rader to pick up a cruise missile while out on patrol.
Details on why LCS can't at the spoiler.. (apologies to all for the thread drift)
Spoiler
BIg Pistons Forever: Yes, it's a shining example of a complete cluster**** in Naval procurement. Fortunately, there are ships that can handle it, and some of them are on task.
BACK ON TOPIC!
As to the Houthis running out of missiles: I think that was part of the reason for the operation a week or so ago where the two SEALS were lost. Interdicting weapons deliveries (or so the story was told in the media).
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The Marshall Islands Flagged, and British o, wned chemical tanker, M/V Marlin Luanda was reportedly struck earlier today by a anti-ship ballistic missile launched by the Houthi while she was transiting the Gulf of Aden from the Red Sea.
The explosion from the missile is claimed to have caused a fire but no casualties.
The explosion from the missile is claimed to have caused a fire but no casualties.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...this-m5mdcx96k
An oil tanker is on fire in the Gulf of Aden after the Houthis claimed to have hit it with a missile, the latest attack on international shipping by the Iran-backed rebels.
Yahya Saree, a Houthi military spokesman, said that the Marlin Luanda was hit by missiles fired by Yemeni naval forces. “The strike was direct and resulted [in] the burning of the vessel,” he added.
Fire crews on board the oil tanker were working to “control the flames” and save the vessel after it was struck by a missile, the company operating the ship said.
UK Maritime Trade Operations said the attack had taken place 60 miles southeast of Aden and warned other vessels to transit with caution.
While the rebel group claimed the ship was British, this has not been confirmed and shipping data suggested it is flagged in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Trafigura, the commodities trading group based in Singapore which has offices in Britain, said firefighting equipment on board had been deployed and the safety of the crew was its “foremost priority”.
A Trafigura spokesman said: “Earlier on 26 January the Marlin Luanda, a petroleum products tanker vessel operated on behalf of Trafigura, was struck by a missile as it transited the Red Sea.
“Firefighting equipment on board is being deployed to suppress and control the fire caused in one cargo tank on the starboard side.”
They continued: “We remain in contact with the vessel and are monitoring the situation carefully. Military ships in the region are under way to provide assistance.”
Hours later the US military confirmed it had carried out a “self defence strike” on an anti-ship missile in a Houthi-controlled area of Yemen.
The missile was aimed at the Red Sea and presented “an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the US Navy ships in the region”, according to a statement from US Central Command on Saturday morning. Houthi media channels reported two airstrikes targeting the port of Ras Issa in Hodeidah province.
Early the US military said one of its warships shot down a missile fired at it by the group, which is acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
In the incident involving the US navy vessel, the Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile from Yemen towards the destroyer USS Carney in the Gulf of Aden, according to US Central Command.
“The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney,” it said. “There were no injuries or damage reported.”…
An oil tanker is on fire in the Gulf of Aden after the Houthis claimed to have hit it with a missile, the latest attack on international shipping by the Iran-backed rebels.
Yahya Saree, a Houthi military spokesman, said that the Marlin Luanda was hit by missiles fired by Yemeni naval forces. “The strike was direct and resulted [in] the burning of the vessel,” he added.
Fire crews on board the oil tanker were working to “control the flames” and save the vessel after it was struck by a missile, the company operating the ship said.
UK Maritime Trade Operations said the attack had taken place 60 miles southeast of Aden and warned other vessels to transit with caution.
While the rebel group claimed the ship was British, this has not been confirmed and shipping data suggested it is flagged in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Trafigura, the commodities trading group based in Singapore which has offices in Britain, said firefighting equipment on board had been deployed and the safety of the crew was its “foremost priority”.
A Trafigura spokesman said: “Earlier on 26 January the Marlin Luanda, a petroleum products tanker vessel operated on behalf of Trafigura, was struck by a missile as it transited the Red Sea.
“Firefighting equipment on board is being deployed to suppress and control the fire caused in one cargo tank on the starboard side.”
They continued: “We remain in contact with the vessel and are monitoring the situation carefully. Military ships in the region are under way to provide assistance.”
Hours later the US military confirmed it had carried out a “self defence strike” on an anti-ship missile in a Houthi-controlled area of Yemen.
The missile was aimed at the Red Sea and presented “an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the US Navy ships in the region”, according to a statement from US Central Command on Saturday morning. Houthi media channels reported two airstrikes targeting the port of Ras Issa in Hodeidah province.
Early the US military said one of its warships shot down a missile fired at it by the group, which is acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
In the incident involving the US navy vessel, the Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile from Yemen towards the destroyer USS Carney in the Gulf of Aden, according to US Central Command.
“The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney,” it said. “There were no injuries or damage reported.”…
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The Marshall Islands Flagged, and British o, wned chemical tanker, M/V Marlin Luanda was reportedly struck earlier today by a anti-ship ballistic missile launched by the Houthi while she was transiting the Gulf of Aden from the Red Sea.
The explosion from the missile is claimed to have caused a fire but no casualties.
The explosion from the missile is claimed to have caused a fire but no casualties.
Ship may be loaded with Naphtha
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On BBC News website.
Three US troops have been killed and 25 injured in a drone attack on a US base in Jordan, near the Syria border
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Report on the Tanker
An interesting report on the tanker
An oil tanker is on fire in the Gulf of Aden after the Houthis claimed to have hit it with a missile, the latest attack on international shipping by the Iran-backed rebels.
Yahya Saree, a Houthi military spokesman, said that the Marlin Luanda was hit by missiles fired by Yemeni naval forces. “The strike was direct and resulted [in] the burning of the vessel,” he added.
Fire crews on board the oil tanker were working to “control the flames” and save the vessel after it was struck by a missile, the company operating the ship said.
UK Maritime Trade Operations said the attack had taken place 60 miles southeast of Aden and warned other vessels to transit with caution.
While the rebel group claimed the ship was British, this has not been confirmed and shipping data suggested it is flagged in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Trafigura, the commodities trading group based in Singapore which has offices in Britain, said firefighting equipment on board had been deployed and the safety of the crew was its “foremost priority”.
A Trafigura spokesman said: “Earlier on 26 January the Marlin Luanda, a petroleum products tanker vessel operated on behalf of Trafigura, was struck by a missile as it transited the Red Sea.
“Firefighting equipment on board is being deployed to suppress and control the fire caused in one cargo tank on the starboard side.”
They continued: “We remain in contact with the vessel and are monitoring the situation carefully. Military ships in the region are under way to provide assistance.”
Hours later the US military confirmed it had carried out a “self defence strike” on an anti-ship missile in a Houthi-controlled area of Yemen.
The missile was aimed at the Red Sea and presented “an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the US Navy ships in the region”, according to a statement from US Central Command on Saturday morning. Houthi media channels reported two airstrikes targeting the port of Ras Issa in Hodeidah province.
Interesting: https://youtu.be/KNHPkYF6-uw?si=73oOvusLOgib68QS
Early the US military said one of its warships shot down a missile fired at it by the group, which is acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
In the incident involving the US navy vessel, the Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile from Yemen towards the destroyer USS Carney in the Gulf of Aden, according to US Central Command.
“The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney,” it said. “There were no injuries or damage reported.”…
An oil tanker is on fire in the Gulf of Aden after the Houthis claimed to have hit it with a missile, the latest attack on international shipping by the Iran-backed rebels.
Yahya Saree, a Houthi military spokesman, said that the Marlin Luanda was hit by missiles fired by Yemeni naval forces. “The strike was direct and resulted [in] the burning of the vessel,” he added.
Fire crews on board the oil tanker were working to “control the flames” and save the vessel after it was struck by a missile, the company operating the ship said.
UK Maritime Trade Operations said the attack had taken place 60 miles southeast of Aden and warned other vessels to transit with caution.
While the rebel group claimed the ship was British, this has not been confirmed and shipping data suggested it is flagged in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Trafigura, the commodities trading group based in Singapore which has offices in Britain, said firefighting equipment on board had been deployed and the safety of the crew was its “foremost priority”.
A Trafigura spokesman said: “Earlier on 26 January the Marlin Luanda, a petroleum products tanker vessel operated on behalf of Trafigura, was struck by a missile as it transited the Red Sea.
“Firefighting equipment on board is being deployed to suppress and control the fire caused in one cargo tank on the starboard side.”
They continued: “We remain in contact with the vessel and are monitoring the situation carefully. Military ships in the region are under way to provide assistance.”
Hours later the US military confirmed it had carried out a “self defence strike” on an anti-ship missile in a Houthi-controlled area of Yemen.
The missile was aimed at the Red Sea and presented “an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the US Navy ships in the region”, according to a statement from US Central Command on Saturday morning. Houthi media channels reported two airstrikes targeting the port of Ras Issa in Hodeidah province.
Interesting: https://youtu.be/KNHPkYF6-uw?si=73oOvusLOgib68QS
Early the US military said one of its warships shot down a missile fired at it by the group, which is acting in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
In the incident involving the US navy vessel, the Houthis fired an anti-ship ballistic missile from Yemen towards the destroyer USS Carney in the Gulf of Aden, according to US Central Command.
“The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney,” it said. “There were no injuries or damage reported.”…
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A flag of convenience ship is one that flies the flag of a country other than the country of ownership. For workers onboard, this can mean: very low wages. poor on-board conditions.