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Old 19th Oct 2016, 13:05
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Maybe they have a rogue Typhoon class submarine with a commander who wishes to defect?
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 13:13
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Ivan in the North Sea at the same time as Join Warrior - not exactly a coincidence.

Perhaps Morayvia can get the old Nimrod hanging about Kinloss airworthy and use it to keep an eye on them
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 13:50
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According to Auntie, "Russian submarines (this one pictured passing the Norwegian island of Andoya) would typically help protect the larger ships"



Allegedly taken off Andoya on Monday. If accurate, one might suspect that boat isn't going too far further south.......or someone has called the skippers pint a puff, with perhaps unforeseen consequences.....
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Nope - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Russia_Intervention

And although never 'hot', the Cold War can hardly be characterised as peace (the clue is in the name).
Knew a man when I was growing up who participated in Allied actions in Russia in that time.
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The fact the Russians need to deploy a rescue tug with their carrier (something no other nation feels the need to do) should tell you all you need to know.
Wouldn't get too carried away on that one after all our T45's were all tied up in Portsmouth because of issues in design a short while ago.

Russians prepare for every eventuality.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 16:25
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Originally Posted by racedo
Wouldn't get too carried away on that one after all our T45's were all tied up in Portsmouth because of issues in design a short while ago.

Russians prepare for every eventuality.
Actually that is a falshehood on the T45 issue. They were alongside for a number of reasons, not least summer leave! They were not all alongside for mechanical reasons.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 19:35
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More Admirals than ships?

It all depends on how one defines "ship" in this context. Taken from a recent written answer to a Parlimentary question the RN presently has: 40 Admirals; 80 Commodores; 290 Captains; 1060 Commanders; 2000 Lieutenant Commanders; 2510 Lieutenants and 750 Sub-Lietenenants. Which does appear to be a little top-heavy for the number of ships the RN presently has. In particular the 80 Commodores and 290 Captains when taking account of the fact that the majority of warships are commanded by an officer of Commander rank or below and as far as I'm aware there is now only one (part-time) sea going post for an officer of 1* or above. Is Parkinson's law alive and well and living within the RN?
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Not a Boffin: my old recognition training says "SSBN, Delta Class" but I can't tell if it's a Delta II or a Delta III.
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Old 19th Oct 2016, 21:01
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Suspect it's a IV. On the surface. With a tube hatch open. Not recommended......
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Interestingly Richmond went AIS dark after leaving Tynemouth this afternoon - how are we armchair admirals meant to follow Ivan ??
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Actually that is a falshehood on the T45 issue. They were alongside for a number of reasons, not least summer leave! They were not all alongside for mechanical reasons.
Good job the wars never start when people are on summer leave then............
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It all depends on how one defines "ship" in this context. Taken from a recent written answer to a Parlimentary question the RN presently has: 40 Admirals; 80 Commodores; 290 Captains; 1060 Commanders; 2000 Lieutenant Commanders; 2510 Lieutenants and 750 Sub-Lietenenants. Which does appear to be a little top-heavy for the number of ships the RN presently has. In particular the 80 Commodores and 290 Captains when taking account of the fact that the majority of warships are commanded by an officer of Commander rank or below and as far as I'm aware there is now only one (part-time) sea going post for an officer of 1* or above. Is Parkinson's law alive and well and living within the RN?
Could almost pay for a decent pay rise for the Junior ranks if had a decent cull of senior officers.
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Norwegian media are reporting that the Russians ended the flight ops early and have moved further south.

But by 12 o'clock enlightened Joint Headquarters TV 2 that the Russians seem to have dropped exercise. War ships were then in the North Sea at Shetland, heading towards the English Channel. Ship manager at the Norwegian frigate KNM "Fridtjof Nansen" confirms to TV 2.

- The Russian vessels sailed into British economic zone earlier today and is now in international waters east of Shetland, said Commander Daniel Thomassen.
Google translate from Norwegian media link.

Russerne avbrøt øvelse i Norskehavet - nå er de på vei sørover mot Syria
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 11:28
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Some people call the Russian fleet a "flottilla"...

Actually the "Piotr Veliky" is the biggest battlecruiser in the world. I would like to be in the Channel the next couple of day, to see the tiny RN frigate bobbling in the wake of the Russian battleship...
The days of hunting the Bismarck are over - especially without maritime patrol aircraft (and aircraft carriers, of course) Fortunately the French Navy will be there to once the Dutch and Norwegians have left.
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It's odd, going by another thread on here aircraft carriers are an obsolete waste of resources, and yet someone sails one with about six aircraft on past Dover and suddenly it's the end of the world.
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin
According to Auntie, "Russian submarines (this one pictured passing the Norwegian island of Andoya) would typically help protect the larger ships"



Allegedly taken off Andoya on Monday. If accurate, one might suspect that boat isn't going too far further south.......or someone has called the skippers pint a puff, with perhaps unforeseen consequences.....
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Curious to know the source for the picture of the Delta? I was intrigued to see it, especially on the surface with a missile tube open.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 11:52
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????? ?????????? ???????? ? ????? - ???????????? ???? ??? ????? ???????? - BBC ??????? ??????

It appears on the Russian BBC, credited to AFP and the Norwegian MOD
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Apparently after a launch??

This event must have been warned?

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Old 20th Oct 2016, 12:36
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If true, that seems pretty weird. Why on Earth would you put one of your SSBNs in the vicinity of a group of surface ships that is inevitably going to attract interest from potential adversaries? Surely one of the central tenets of SSBN operation is that you do everything in your power to make sure no-one knows where you are, or gets close enough to get a sniff of your acoustic signature? I almost wonder whether it's a poorly-chosen library photo...

As for surfacing with the hatch open - I guess it's conceivable one might have a hatch issue and have to surface in a hurry to fix it from the outside (if it wasn't an emergency you'd presumably wait, and do it in the dark...)

Edit: Makes more sense in the light of ImageGear's post - separate deployment in a different location...
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This event must have been warned?
Yes - all ballistic missile tests have to be pre-notified, and various steps taken to allow interested parties to monitor them (which I guess is how the Norwegians ended up taking the photo). Very interesting account of a British Trident test in Hennessy's book.
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