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Russian fleet sailing in to the North sea

Old 18th Oct 2016, 19:49
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Russian fleet sailing in to the North sea

Major Russian naval force sails to North Sea past Norway - BBC News

So do we have anything to deal with it if it were hostile?

What can we use to shadow it??
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 20:15
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What can we use to shadow it??
Allegedly HMSs Duncan and Richmond.

We could ask the RNHF to launch their two Stringbags from Yeovilton. Code name 'Fuller.'

They'll likely sound "Руки к полетам станций" in Lyme Bay.

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Old 18th Oct 2016, 20:18
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We've been at.peace with Russia since the 1850s. The chances that they will use a well publicised deployment to launch a 'surprise' attack are slim to put it mildly...
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 20:38
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So do we have anything to deal with it if it were hostile?

What can we use to shadow it??

I assume by we you mean UK, and although much diminished the UK still has submarines and surface assets that are capable of responding to both of your questions. True not as robust as before with the loss of MPA, smaller fleet and diminished dedicated maritime attack aircraft.


Shadowing is doable with a variety of surface and sub-surface assets. This deployment will also be tracked very closely by other nations, so I am sure their location will be quite well known, and help could be requested...
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 20:59
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The Tug Nikolay Chiker assigned to the carrier task force was at the following positon as of 17 GMT

60.52707N 3.32093E

Map Link

https://goo.gl/maps/aYfAKFVHJjv

Vessel details for: NIKOLAY CHIKER (Tug) - IMO 8613334, MMSI 273531629, Call Sign RAL 48 Registered in Russia | AIS Marine Traffic
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Woolwich Ferries are offline tomorrow as they are tasked with shadowing Russians for 60 miles.

Does RN still have more Admirals than Vesssels ?
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Christ on a bike, not the tired old 'more admirals than ships' line again. It wasnt funny in the 17th century, and it isn't funny (or true) now. Hey ho...

The fact the Russians need to deploy a rescue tug with their carrier (something no other nation feels the need to do) should tell you all you need to know.
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I remember sitting in the VCR one cold winters morning at Sumburgh and as it got light finding a Russian destroyer moored in a bay! Been shadowing a NATO exercise but had asked to come in to ride out a storm!
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We almost went to war as a result of Russian Naval incursions in 1904
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 22:32
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NOTAM for Kuznetsov flight ops Wed 19th October until Fri 21st October.

RECEIVED FROM MAIN AIR TRAFFIC MANAGMENT CENTER OF RUSSIA: RUSSIAN NAVY TRAINING FLTS IN HIGH SEA AREA OF THE NORTH SEA PSN 6300N 00000E - 6300N 00400E - 6150N 00300E - 6150N 00000E - (6300N 00000E)

LOWER: Surface, UPPER: FL180

FROM: 19 Oct 2016 07:00 GMT (09:00 CEST) TO: 21 Oct 2016 16:00 GMT (18:00 CEST)

SCHEDULE: DAILY 0700-1600

Map for NOTAM area off Norway.



Google translate of the following link

The Russian Navy has notified the Civil Aviation Authority that they will train on aircraft operations in international airspace west of Floro from Wednesday morning.

Alerted three days of exercises
But Wednesday morning it is expected that the eight vessels slowing down the pace. The Russians have warned the Norwegian authorities that they will practice in an area of about 20,000 square kilometers, in international waters off the coast of Sogn og Fjordane.

The Civil Aviation Administration has been notified of activity up to 17,000 feet from seven o'clock Wednesday morning, and in three days.
From link in Norwegian.

Russerne vil øve med fly i Nordsjøen fra onsdag morgen - Russland - VG

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I think even at the time the "Dogger Bank Incident" to which you allude was recognised as nothing more sinister than grotesque incompetence on the part of the Czar's Navy.
From a lengthy and fairly vigorous gun exchange in which Russian Battleships en route to Japan to do war with the Emperor there came across the Hull trawler fleet and mistook them for Japanese torpedo boats (yes, seriously! On the Dogger Bank!) and ended up enthusiastically shelling each other for some while (1 trawler sunk, 2 fishermen killed) our Russian heroes went on through fiasco after fiasco to Japan where Togo sunk the entire fleet bar 2 or 3 ships. 35 or so left Petrograd. 3 returned. One, the Aurora, the Flagship broke out of the Jap blockade and heroically made it home and remains a museum ship to this day - she fired the shot that signalled the start of this week's associated problems - the Russian Revolution.

The Russian Navy has a lot of ground to make up...

Fishermen, keep yer heids doon!
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I wonder if they ever paid royalties for the ski jump they have on their carrier. If memory serves me correctly didn't a naval Lt Cmdr. Taylor come up with the idea, but patented it under his wife's name thus meaning they got royalty payments from it?
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Apart from a few Harpoons on the Type 23s what do we have left in the arsenal in the way of anti-ship missiles ? Sea Eagle is gone, Sea Skua is for rowing boats and by all accounts well past its sell by date, and the Exocets are gone.

Things seem a little thin in the "sinking things" area, or is it just an over-reliance on submarines ?
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pity their boats weren't made by Toyota......
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Don't you follow the news? These old tubs seem to move to Mediterranean. No interest in UK or intentions to threat anybody. After that Kuznetsov is scheduled to get (a long lasting) maintenance at its home base.
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We've been at.peace with Russia since the 1850s.
Nope - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Russia_Intervention

And although never 'hot', the Cold War can hardly be characterised as peace (the clue is in the name).
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Van is correct - the Admiral fancies some autumn sunshine - starting to get cold and dark in Murmansk.....................
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We've been at peace with Russia since the 1850s. - Jimlad1

Except for Berwick-upon-Tweed allegedly, according to some sources, which only signed a "peace treaty" with Russia in 1966, vide Myth Or Reality? Berwick Revisits Its 'War With Russia' | Culture24

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Lordflasheart - Google translate gave me this for "hands to flying stations" but I think your version worked very well

руки летающих станций
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"Except for Berwick-upon-Tweed allegedly, according to some sources,"

I can remember it being on TV when a diplomat went to Berwick and handed over a letter saying thry weren't going to invade - must have been in the early '60's.........
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