Chuck Yeager dislikes the British
A lot of Americans share Yeagers view and why not -we are a bunch of duplicitous , arrogant people who live in the past.
On the other hand many of us dislike the Americans as fat stupid boorish and ignorant .
However many Americans like us and there is much to like in many of them, Donald Trump being something of an exception though
Yeagers entitled to his opinion in the same way the 'Ryder Cup golfers brother ' is entitled to his. Its very childish to get hugely defensive when people run your country down because it is stereotyping on a huge scale and just shouldn't be taken seriously.
On the other hand many of us dislike the Americans as fat stupid boorish and ignorant .
However many Americans like us and there is much to like in many of them, Donald Trump being something of an exception though
Yeagers entitled to his opinion in the same way the 'Ryder Cup golfers brother ' is entitled to his. Its very childish to get hugely defensive when people run your country down because it is stereotyping on a huge scale and just shouldn't be taken seriously.
Once met JEJ......he posed for a photo and was very civil with me but the colleague I was with had his nuts ripped off by him! He must have been having a bit of a moment but he went from hero to zero in a split second in my colleagues eyes! As for Yeager......read his autobiography and thought he was clearly talented and brave but had an inflated ego. As for fighting our war......Christ they made us pay for it......No one else did though! Having read this thread, the charity shop can have his book.....he sounds rather odious. Don't care what he did......manners cost nothing! A*sehole!
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A Bob Hoover story
In 1972-73 I was working at Rockwell on the B-1A Bomber in redondo . Final assembly was at palmdale. Thus several trips wsere made via rockwell aero commander from LAX to Palmdale plant 41. One of the ' corporate' pilots was Bob Hoover. Was interexting when he taxied to end of runway and waited for clearance from tower. As soon as he spoke- tower response with takeoff clearance was given in the normal manner followed by (paraphrased ) have a good day BOB ..
One person in my group ( Bill ) was flying back from palmdale with Bob, and as he cleared the mountain ridge prior to descent to LAX, Bill looked out and was startled to see a few trees not too far off of one wing.. seems that Bob remarked he thought he saw some aircraft wreckage in one of the canyons running southward and wanted a closer look. Shurre ...
In 1973- Bob was hired by Northrop to demo the Northrup F-5 ( later T-38 ) Tiger at the paris airshow. Of course Northrop filmed his demo and the Russian SST flyby. Got an inviute to see the film at Northrop- after a spectracular flight demo ( probably film somewhere ) Bob parked the plane put on his Cowboy straw hat and motored back on a mini mini scooter !
The film ended as the SST made its pass and started to climb- and the film faded out. We asked the photographer if he had censored the film to avoid showing the SST crash. He said no- what happened is that he figured a closing shot of the russian SST flyby was appropriate, so he simply faded out thecamera and stopped filming, bent down to put his camera away - and missed the resulting ' stall' and crash.
One person in my group ( Bill ) was flying back from palmdale with Bob, and as he cleared the mountain ridge prior to descent to LAX, Bill looked out and was startled to see a few trees not too far off of one wing.. seems that Bob remarked he thought he saw some aircraft wreckage in one of the canyons running southward and wanted a closer look. Shurre ...
In 1973- Bob was hired by Northrop to demo the Northrup F-5 ( later T-38 ) Tiger at the paris airshow. Of course Northrop filmed his demo and the Russian SST flyby. Got an inviute to see the film at Northrop- after a spectracular flight demo ( probably film somewhere ) Bob parked the plane put on his Cowboy straw hat and motored back on a mini mini scooter !
The film ended as the SST made its pass and started to climb- and the film faded out. We asked the photographer if he had censored the film to avoid showing the SST crash. He said no- what happened is that he figured a closing shot of the russian SST flyby was appropriate, so he simply faded out thecamera and stopped filming, bent down to put his camera away - and missed the resulting ' stall' and crash.
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Fighting the war for us'? Like hell. Moreover, read up about Lease-lend. The US lent us ships & aeroplanes. Thank you. But they were only lent to us. After the war we had to give them back. Trouble is, the obsolete ancient warships had sunk and many aircraft were shot down. So we had to mortgage GB up to the hilt to pay back the USA for all what we had 'lost'. No wonder big business in the USA got very rich out of WW2 and we got very poor. They were smart and we were desperate. Didn't we also have to surrender some of our overseas territories to them as well.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...945/lend-lease
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On September 2, 1940, as the Battle of Britain intensified, United States Secretary of State Cordell Hull signaled agreement to the transfer of the warships to the Royal Navy. In exchange, the US was granted land in various British possessions for the establishment of naval or air bases, on ninety-nine-year rent-free leases, on:
Newfoundland (today part of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador)
Eastern side of the Bahamas
Southern coast of Jamaica
Western coast of St. Lucia
West coast of Trinidad (Gulf of Paria)
Antigua
British Guiana (present day Guyana) within fifty miles of Georgetown
The agreement also granted the US air and naval base rights in:
The Great Sound and Castle Harbour, Bermuda
South and eastern coasts of Newfoundland
No destroyers were received in exchange for the bases in Bermuda and Newfoundland. Both territories were vital to trans-Atlantic shipping, aviation, and to the Battle of the Atlantic. Although enemy attack on either was unlikely, it could not be discounted, and Britain had been forced to wastefully maintain defensive forces, including the Bermuda Garrison. The deal allowed Britain to hand much of the defence of Bermuda over to the still-neutral US, freeing British forces for redeployment to more active theatres. It also enabled the development of strategic facilities at US expense which British forces would also utilise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destro...ases_Agreement
Fighting the war for us'? Like hell. Moreover, read up about Lease-lend. The US lent us ships & aeroplanes. Thank you. But they were only lent to us. After the war we had to give them back. Trouble is, the obsolete ancient warships had sunk and many aircraft were shot down. So we had to mortgage GB up to the hilt to pay back the USA for all what we had 'lost'. No wonder big business in the USA got very rich out of WW2 and we got very poor. They were smart and we were desperate. Didn't we also have to surrender some of our overseas territories to them as well.
https://history.state.gov/milestones...945/lend-lease
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On September 2, 1940, as the Battle of Britain intensified, United States Secretary of State Cordell Hull signaled agreement to the transfer of the warships to the Royal Navy. In exchange, the US was granted land in various British possessions for the establishment of naval or air bases, on ninety-nine-year rent-free leases, on:
Newfoundland (today part of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador)
Eastern side of the Bahamas
Southern coast of Jamaica
Western coast of St. Lucia
West coast of Trinidad (Gulf of Paria)
Antigua
British Guiana (present day Guyana) within fifty miles of Georgetown
The agreement also granted the US air and naval base rights in:
The Great Sound and Castle Harbour, Bermuda
South and eastern coasts of Newfoundland
No destroyers were received in exchange for the bases in Bermuda and Newfoundland. Both territories were vital to trans-Atlantic shipping, aviation, and to the Battle of the Atlantic. Although enemy attack on either was unlikely, it could not be discounted, and Britain had been forced to wastefully maintain defensive forces, including the Bermuda Garrison. The deal allowed Britain to hand much of the defence of Bermuda over to the still-neutral US, freeing British forces for redeployment to more active theatres. It also enabled the development of strategic facilities at US expense which British forces would also utilise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destro...ases_Agreement
and didn't Churchill have to send the then Chancellor of the Exchequer to Washington to beg for aid in 1945? "Special relationship"......give me strength!!
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Wasn't it a bunt, caused they think by it trying to avoid a French Mirage supposedly getting a closer look.
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Nutloose, I seem to recall Britain handing over Diego Garcia was part of the 1940 warships deal?
On top of that, the warships handed over were the equivalent of 100,000 hr aircraft, nearly at the end of their life, and full of antiquated technology.
The deal was the equivalent of Honest John Used Cars exchanging a yard full of rusty clunkers, for some prime Kensington real estate.
On top of that, the warships handed over were the equivalent of 100,000 hr aircraft, nearly at the end of their life, and full of antiquated technology.
The deal was the equivalent of Honest John Used Cars exchanging a yard full of rusty clunkers, for some prime Kensington real estate.
I don't think the big yank has forgiven us for all the advance aerodynamic secrets they stole from the brits before the X1 did her M1 flight. I can't blame him for that.... still it's a bad show, but what can you expect from a yank.
Perhaps we should bring all of our Military home and leave you be.
It's interesting how all this crap snowballs. Face it, Both the British and the Americans are arrogant arsholes no wonder they sometimes tick each other off. Us other colonials know. ;-) (lets see if we can start up a multi-way fight).
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Roland Beamont describes in his book ‘Testing Years’ how Yeager refused to shake his hand. It was 1948 at Muroc Lake and Beamont had just ‘guest flown’ the North American XP86 (later to become the Sabre). Yeagers beef was that a ‘Limey’ had been allowed to fly it when he had not.
That said Beamont didn’t do any favours for the possibility any other ‘guest’ pilots when he decided to explore two corner points on his first and only flight. He said afterwards that it had not been specifically briefed that he should not do so although he did add that that it had also not been specifically briefed that he could.
That said Beamont didn’t do any favours for the possibility any other ‘guest’ pilots when he decided to explore two corner points on his first and only flight. He said afterwards that it had not been specifically briefed that he should not do so although he did add that that it had also not been specifically briefed that he could.
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This topic is about grumpy old men (one in particular). It has brought out grumpy old men on both sides of the discussion, many with an axe to grind. I thought we were meant to be Allies, gentlemen.
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The deal was the equivalent of Honest John Used Cars exchanging a yard full of rusty clunkers, for some prime Kensington real estate. - Onetrack
You probably would not have said that if you realised how highly the real Honest John is regarded in UK, and indeed further afield.....
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You probably would not have said that if you realised how highly the real Honest John is regarded in UK, and indeed further afield.....
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Yeager's perception of the British as unwelcoming is of course a very personal and narrow perception as they were almost uniformly welcomed with open arms (sometimes a bit too literally) as they were clearly going to be our saviours.
His rather sour attitude, I suspect, may stem from where he was based. Leiston was then a small and somewhat remote but very rural backwater in Suffolk where most of the people would never have been to London and many possibly not even to Ipswich 15 miles away. Most of those that had travelled had probably only been to Flanders and back. It was a very conservative, traditional, quiet and settled community where everyone knew everyone else for miles around and nothing much of interest ever happened. The compulsory purchase of a vast acreage of their prime farmland for an airfield will have caused massive social uprooting and upset and the arrival of a bunch of noisy, foreign uproarious testosterone-fuelle hooligans taking over the quiet, civilised village pub and complaining about the beer would not have endeared them to the locals one little bit. The US are not well known nowadays for cultural sensitivity and back then I doubt the concept even existed.
I don't doubt for a second that the sort of boorish, noisy, testosterone fuelled alcoholic excesses visited on the surrounding villages wold have been received favourably by the quiet local populace any more than we welcome the braying hordes from the city who infest our beautiful countryside now.
E Anglia is a friendly place as long as you don't try to impose your noisy city ways on us, and if you do we're rather likely to let you know our feelings, sometimes quite subtlly.
Thus I contend it wasn't the English being unfriendly per se to the Great Ego, rather the insensitive behaviour of him and his colleagues not being well received in a place of traditional rural quiet.
His rather sour attitude, I suspect, may stem from where he was based. Leiston was then a small and somewhat remote but very rural backwater in Suffolk where most of the people would never have been to London and many possibly not even to Ipswich 15 miles away. Most of those that had travelled had probably only been to Flanders and back. It was a very conservative, traditional, quiet and settled community where everyone knew everyone else for miles around and nothing much of interest ever happened. The compulsory purchase of a vast acreage of their prime farmland for an airfield will have caused massive social uprooting and upset and the arrival of a bunch of noisy, foreign uproarious testosterone-fuelle hooligans taking over the quiet, civilised village pub and complaining about the beer would not have endeared them to the locals one little bit. The US are not well known nowadays for cultural sensitivity and back then I doubt the concept even existed.
I don't doubt for a second that the sort of boorish, noisy, testosterone fuelled alcoholic excesses visited on the surrounding villages wold have been received favourably by the quiet local populace any more than we welcome the braying hordes from the city who infest our beautiful countryside now.
E Anglia is a friendly place as long as you don't try to impose your noisy city ways on us, and if you do we're rather likely to let you know our feelings, sometimes quite subtlly.
Thus I contend it wasn't the English being unfriendly per se to the Great Ego, rather the insensitive behaviour of him and his colleagues not being well received in a place of traditional rural quiet.
I just read about Bill Anders' journey to astronauthood. He failed to get into AARPS (Yeager was the boss), but was invited to fly for NASA. He met Yeager in a corridor somewhere, who told him "You didn't get in." Anders told him he was ok with that 'cos he was leaving for NASA anyway. Yeager's reply: "I'll see about that!" His interference was for nought though.
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Nutloose, I seem to recall Britain handing over Diego Garcia was part of the 1940 warships deal?
On top of that, the warships handed over were the equivalent of 100,000 hr aircraft, nearly at the end of their life, and full of antiquated technology.
The deal was the equivalent of Honest John Used Cars exchanging a yard full of rusty clunkers, for some prime Kensington real estate.
On top of that, the warships handed over were the equivalent of 100,000 hr aircraft, nearly at the end of their life, and full of antiquated technology.
The deal was the equivalent of Honest John Used Cars exchanging a yard full of rusty clunkers, for some prime Kensington real estate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
This was under the Wilson Labour Government.
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It may be that he's very ill and not the one posting. Rumours abound that his wife (Jean?) is responding and she may now be lashing out at the vitriol in reply to the original (poor taste) Twitter post.
Either way, this thread is a waste of outrage.
I try not to bite as he's but one person with an opinion, in a world full of them.
Either way, this thread is a waste of outrage.
I try not to bite as he's but one person with an opinion, in a world full of them.