Serviceman threatened with knife outside RAF base
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Perhaps another way to approach this, is to allow servicemen to apply for the right to carry, through a very thorough training course and marksmanship exam. Make it impossible to pass without understanding the ramifications of shooting someone innocent under personal protection circumstances, and make sure they are proficient with the weapon.
hot pursuit under Scottish Law! that was an interesting hour indeed lol.
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There were the paras in Shropshire, but they missed. There was the rather public incident in Gibraltar but they were highly trained. There was the unfortunate incident on HMS Astute (by coincidence I passed by immediately after the event), but of armed guards on the gate, the MPGS, the MOD Police, or Guards in London, nothing IIRC.
The difference is that the police were actively pursuing a suspect whereas military personnel are wholly defensive. When armed in Cyprus we kept our weapons holstered even in the absence of any orders.
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SS, CCTV on camp? I wonder. We had one on our gate but it was only there to alert the gate keeper, no recording.
The incident was well away from the guardroom, and indeed well outside the security perimeter. As far as I can tell the nearest building was the local Costcutters, and I'm sure if they have CCTV it will have been well scrutinised by now.
Ford Galaxies aren't the commonest vehicles on the road, might be possible to identify this one by a process of elimination.
Ford Galaxies aren't the commonest vehicles on the road, might be possible to identify this one by a process of elimination.
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I hesitate to post this, but I might be about to disappoint the more uncharitable.
https://twitter.com/jamiegrierson/st...38961318879232
https://twitter.com/jamiegrierson/st...38961318879232
SS,
How can you assume the two perpetrators know what "On Camp" means? Do you know that there is CCTV around that area? - I think that's unlikely around quarters.
Marham has one of the best security set-ups ever by just having one road through it. Idiots like me realised years ago that there SHOULD be cameras on this entrances to the area and the mere presence of cameras (two per entrance) might prevent a lot of ne'er-do-wells venturing further.
How can you assume the two perpetrators know what "On Camp" means? Do you know that there is CCTV around that area? - I think that's unlikely around quarters.
Marham has one of the best security set-ups ever by just having one road through it. Idiots like me realised years ago that there SHOULD be cameras on this entrances to the area and the mere presence of cameras (two per entrance) might prevent a lot of ne'er-do-wells venturing further.
Al R, that becomes more worrying and suggests some sort of surveillance operation as well. Beeb reporting it now as well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36873967
Also, BBC Radio reported yesterday that the serviceman had disabled one and the other ran to check the assailant was OK whilst the serviceman escaped. They also added that the RAF man had DNA evidence on him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-36873967
Also, BBC Radio reported yesterday that the serviceman had disabled one and the other ran to check the assailant was OK whilst the serviceman escaped. They also added that the RAF man had DNA evidence on him.
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"been there done that for MANY years as a RAF technician Lots of incidents that never got off the base (s)
hot pursuit under Scottish Law! that was an interesting hour indeed lol."
So Gladrag, your telling us you had a right to carry and were armed on many occasions as an RAF techie and witnessed lots of incidents?
Well, we all did a stint on gate guard once, maybe twice a year but that's not what we're talking about. What you on about?
Unless you were an armourer and worked in small arms bay? and that's still a long way from what was being described.
hot pursuit under Scottish Law! that was an interesting hour indeed lol."
So Gladrag, your telling us you had a right to carry and were armed on many occasions as an RAF techie and witnessed lots of incidents?
Well, we all did a stint on gate guard once, maybe twice a year but that's not what we're talking about. What you on about?
Unless you were an armourer and worked in small arms bay? and that's still a long way from what was being described.
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Dave, becoming a self-licking lollipop as the DNA evidence was a joke on here two days ago after the initial report.
There's some proper garbage being written here.
The scene of the attack is not on camp.
None of the OMQs or AMQs are behind the wire and I don't believe there were routine patrols in quarters on the day (my guess). I'm pretty sure there's no CCTV in the area near the Costcutter, unless it's on the shop front.
The part of the road that was closed was on Squires Hill, not within the village or the married patch, the local BBC TV report actually showed a camera shot looking away from Camp and there were no houses in view. A fact anyone of the jogging persuasion is grateful for as after a lap or two of the village Squires is a proper pain in the lungs..
How do I know the geography? I was stationed there for 9 years and 7 of those were in AMQs. I no longer serve but still live in the area and have occasion to visit from time to time.
The scene of the attack is not on camp.
None of the OMQs or AMQs are behind the wire and I don't believe there were routine patrols in quarters on the day (my guess). I'm pretty sure there's no CCTV in the area near the Costcutter, unless it's on the shop front.
The part of the road that was closed was on Squires Hill, not within the village or the married patch, the local BBC TV report actually showed a camera shot looking away from Camp and there were no houses in view. A fact anyone of the jogging persuasion is grateful for as after a lap or two of the village Squires is a proper pain in the lungs..
How do I know the geography? I was stationed there for 9 years and 7 of those were in AMQs. I no longer serve but still live in the area and have occasion to visit from time to time.
Fret not insty as there will be quite a few on this forum who know the married patch, especially those who have flown or fixed Tornados. As for me, I lived on Gayton Avenue!
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A slight digression for all those who still serve and whose service I value and respect, and whom I would like to see stay safe......
I am recently back from a far away overseas holiday (matters not where) and spent an evening at a posh shopping mall, with many eateries, a few miles away from a large (not UK or US) military base.
Scoffing our scram, myself and my wife played "spot the off-duty military dude/dude-ess". It is INCREDIBLY easy to pick you guys/girls out in crowd.
Your haircuts.
Your physique.
The way you carry yourselves.
And, most of all, you are always in groups of similar types.
I'm not suggesting much can be done, or that you hide (don't let terror win and all that)
I'm merely pointing out an awareness issue...civvy clothes rarely hides who a serviceman is.
Be safe one and all.
I am recently back from a far away overseas holiday (matters not where) and spent an evening at a posh shopping mall, with many eateries, a few miles away from a large (not UK or US) military base.
Scoffing our scram, myself and my wife played "spot the off-duty military dude/dude-ess". It is INCREDIBLY easy to pick you guys/girls out in crowd.
Your haircuts.
Your physique.
The way you carry yourselves.
And, most of all, you are always in groups of similar types.
I'm not suggesting much can be done, or that you hide (don't let terror win and all that)
I'm merely pointing out an awareness issue...civvy clothes rarely hides who a serviceman is.
Be safe one and all.
Actually armed Servicemen in UK have a pretty good record of not shooting civvies who give them the evil eye.
There were the paras in Shropshire, but they missed. There was the rather public incident in Gibraltar but they were highly trained. There was the unfortunate incident on HMS Astute (by coincidence I passed by immediately after the event), but of armed guards on the gate, the MPGS, the MOD Police, or Guards in London, nothing IIRC.
There were the paras in Shropshire, but they missed. There was the rather public incident in Gibraltar but they were highly trained. There was the unfortunate incident on HMS Astute (by coincidence I passed by immediately after the event), but of armed guards on the gate, the MPGS, the MOD Police, or Guards in London, nothing IIRC.
MoD armed guard shot wife's lover Husband killed himself after attack (From Herald Scotland)
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It is INCREDIBLY easy to pick you guys/girls out in crowd.
That is a theory. Unless a theory is tested it remains a theory.
Perhaps you should approach what turns out to be part of a civilian football team or a netball team and say:
"I know you are military!" and see where that gets you!
It is INCREDIBLY easy to pick you guys/girls out in crowd.
That is a theory. Unless a theory is tested it remains a theory.
Perhaps you should approach what turns out to be part of a civilian football team or a netball team and say:
"I know you are military!" and see where that gets you!
The IRA thought much the same in 1990. 
The two "off-duty military personnel" turned out to be Australian tourists.
It is a question of probability, though - TOFO's point is a good one to keep in mind, I'd have thought.
The two "off-duty military personnel" turned out to be Australian tourists.It is a question of probability, though - TOFO's point is a good one to keep in mind, I'd have thought.
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Mill for the ARRSE grist.. 
Why RAF hero proved MUCH more than a match for kidnappers | UK | News | Daily Express
<<However, the ultra-fit man, in his late 20s, is a gunner from the RAF Regiment, a tough ground-fighting force whose duties include protecting airbases. He used his training to overcome one of the attackers and knock him to the floor to make his escape as a knife-wielding accomplice approached.
Police hunting the pair are understood to have taken DNA from the serviceman after his knuckles were covered in blood spatters from punching one of the suspects. He is said to have been extremely shaken by the abduction attempt outside RAF Marham in Norfolk on Wednesday afternoon and is being counselled by an on-site psychologist. The RAF Regiment is a very tough and skilled group of soldiers whose training is more advanced than the standard infantry.
He used his training to overcome one of the attackers and knock him to the floor to make his escape as a knife-wielding accomplice approached. Police hunting the pair are understood to have taken DNA from the serviceman after his knuckles were covered in blood spatters from punching one of the suspects.
They form part of the SFSG, Special Forces Support Group, assisting the SAS and the SBS on certain operations. Essentially they are the ground fighting force for the RAF whose duties are to defend airbases and overseas air operations. Part of their training is learning how to survive to fight in all environmental conditions, including close combat tactics and lots of physical exercise.
Members of the RAF Regiment are nicknamed Rock Apes. The name is believed to stem from a regimental officer hunting hamadryas baboons in Yemen in 1952 who shot another officer by mistake. When asked why he had fired at his friend by a board of inquiry, the officer replied that his target had “looked just like a rock ape” in the half-light.>>
Why RAF hero proved MUCH more than a match for kidnappers | UK | News | Daily Express
<<However, the ultra-fit man, in his late 20s, is a gunner from the RAF Regiment, a tough ground-fighting force whose duties include protecting airbases. He used his training to overcome one of the attackers and knock him to the floor to make his escape as a knife-wielding accomplice approached.
Police hunting the pair are understood to have taken DNA from the serviceman after his knuckles were covered in blood spatters from punching one of the suspects. He is said to have been extremely shaken by the abduction attempt outside RAF Marham in Norfolk on Wednesday afternoon and is being counselled by an on-site psychologist. The RAF Regiment is a very tough and skilled group of soldiers whose training is more advanced than the standard infantry.
He used his training to overcome one of the attackers and knock him to the floor to make his escape as a knife-wielding accomplice approached. Police hunting the pair are understood to have taken DNA from the serviceman after his knuckles were covered in blood spatters from punching one of the suspects.
They form part of the SFSG, Special Forces Support Group, assisting the SAS and the SBS on certain operations. Essentially they are the ground fighting force for the RAF whose duties are to defend airbases and overseas air operations. Part of their training is learning how to survive to fight in all environmental conditions, including close combat tactics and lots of physical exercise.
Members of the RAF Regiment are nicknamed Rock Apes. The name is believed to stem from a regimental officer hunting hamadryas baboons in Yemen in 1952 who shot another officer by mistake. When asked why he had fired at his friend by a board of inquiry, the officer replied that his target had “looked just like a rock ape” in the half-light.>>
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Been told to re assess our security whilst on & off duty for all military and civilian staff.
A few fatties at work now working on an exit plan, apart from dieting!
The RAF Regiment are not Rock Apes - The RAF Police however are called Rock Apes and have been for years!
A few fatties at work now working on an exit plan, apart from dieting!
The RAF Regiment are not Rock Apes - The RAF Police however are called Rock Apes and have been for years!