Post-Brexit EU citizenship for forces brats born abroad
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Post-Brexit EU citizenship for forces brats born abroad
With the very real prospect of a Brexit next week, can anyone shed any light on the citizenship rights (or otherwise) of forces brats who were born in countries that are now in the EU (Germany, Malta, Cyprus especially) and who might wish to take out dual-nationality in a post-EU UK?
Google is usually my friend, but forces brats don't seem to appear in the online guidelines for citizenship of any of these countries.
Asking for a friend, and thanks in advance.
Google is usually my friend, but forces brats don't seem to appear in the online guidelines for citizenship of any of these countries.
Asking for a friend, and thanks in advance.
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Primary domicile will probably be the rule. Granddaughter born in SBA is British. My mother born in India of Irish parents was British as she was born before the creation of the Irish Free State.
Children of forces personnel who are born overseas due to their parents' service hold british nationality as they have since before the EEC was even thought of.
by getting an EU passport.
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I think that's not the question - the question is if they can escape being locked out of the EU by getting an EU passport.
Interesting reference to being locked out of the EU; I must have missed the declaration that post-Brexit we British will be barred from travelling to EU member states. More Project Fear?
I think that's not the question - the question is if they can escape being locked out of the EU by getting an EU passport
Precisely. Do the younger generation, those with a more progressive outlook on Europe, want to hold a passport with the endorsement 'not entitled to benefit from EU provisions relating to employment or establishment '.
Interesting reference to being locked out of the EU; I must have missed the declaration that post-Brexit we British will be barred from travelling to EU member states. More Project Fear?
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Mil-Man - I don't think any Brexiteer has suggested any such thing.
British passport holders still have to go through border control to access the continent; EU citizens still have pass through UK border controls to enter the UK as Britain is outside Schengen. Are you suggesting that UK passport holders will then face passport controls to travel between, say, France and Belgium?
British passport holders still have to go through border control to access the continent; EU citizens still have pass through UK border controls to enter the UK as Britain is outside Schengen. Are you suggesting that UK passport holders will then face passport controls to travel between, say, France and Belgium?
We don't have the right of abode in the US, or Canada, or Australia either.
Back to my original question, I have contacted the consulate for one of the countries I listed but am waiting to hear back. If anyone does have anything to offer in the meantime that would be gratefully received.
Thanks
Not only "forces brats", we "Civvies attached" also reproduced enthusiastically.
Two in Cyprus, one in BFG [and one qualified to play for Yorkshire, born in Thirsk].
Two in Cyprus, one in BFG [and one qualified to play for Yorkshire, born in Thirsk].
My wife was born in Nairobi of working English parents in Kenya pre- its independence in '64.
She had a U.K. passport from childhood. Post our marriage, she went for a "routine" renewal , only to be informed that she was not a British Citizen (having lived in U.K, since the early 70's and previously renewed her passports as such, without any questions raised ). As she was born Pre -Independence in Kenya she was not considered to be a Kenyan citizen either. Her status was, she was informed , as a British Subject, which apparently then made renewal problematical. However, it then transpired,since she was now married to a British Citizen, she could now, as Mrs. Haraka , have a U.K passport as a citizen .
P.S. As of 23rd May 2014 I am reputedly entitled to put "Cornish" as my nationality on my U.K Passport.... ( I haven't dare asked her yet if she wants Cornish nationality.)
She had a U.K. passport from childhood. Post our marriage, she went for a "routine" renewal , only to be informed that she was not a British Citizen (having lived in U.K, since the early 70's and previously renewed her passports as such, without any questions raised ). As she was born Pre -Independence in Kenya she was not considered to be a Kenyan citizen either. Her status was, she was informed , as a British Subject, which apparently then made renewal problematical. However, it then transpired,since she was now married to a British Citizen, she could now, as Mrs. Haraka , have a U.K passport as a citizen .
P.S. As of 23rd May 2014 I am reputedly entitled to put "Cornish" as my nationality on my U.K Passport.... ( I haven't dare asked her yet if she wants Cornish nationality.)
Having children born in Europe, we ensured that they were correctly registered as British only, with the Consulate. People should be aware that there are complicated regulations that can/could apply and, take advice beyond that on this forum if concerned.
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..all assuming dual citizenship is allowed. Unlike the UK, not all countries support this status, Germany in general doesn't which no doubt is the obvious passport of choice for ex-mil kids.
https://www.henleyglobal.com/dual-citizenship/
https://www.henleyglobal.com/dual-citizenship/
This is a particularly thorny issue for those with children born a broad, whilst in the Services. Our daughter was born in Italy in the early 2000s, in a US Naval Hospital and we thought we had correctly registered her through the BFG Registrars' office at the time. Passport duely granted and so on. However, when I went to get a new passport for our last Post, it transpired that she had only been given 'Protected Status' and not full UK citizenship. When I chased this up it was due to me being dual-national, apparently. We've managed to get it sorted out, for the moment at least. Edited to add that it seems that my daughter could now get an Italian passport - which is probably no bad thing.
But it was only a year ago I was asked by MOD (HOCS Sy) - again - to surrender my 'foreign' (FVEY) passport to get access to DII-S. The funny side is that in that job I have access to other, higher, UK systems, and had done so without issue for several years. grown-ups in the FCO put HOCS Sy right.
So, in sum, these problems, at least in my case, were nothing to do with the EU; rather to poor interpretation of the rules by the MOD.
But it was only a year ago I was asked by MOD (HOCS Sy) - again - to surrender my 'foreign' (FVEY) passport to get access to DII-S. The funny side is that in that job I have access to other, higher, UK systems, and had done so without issue for several years. grown-ups in the FCO put HOCS Sy right.
So, in sum, these problems, at least in my case, were nothing to do with the EU; rather to poor interpretation of the rules by the MOD.
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A colleague, now departed, was arrested on entering Canada on the grounds that he had evaded national service. He pointed out that he was serving in the RAF having been resident in UK most of his life and was there at the invitation of the CAF to lecture at their staff college.
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Anyone who has served in the USA and have had a child there and exercised their right to claim a US passport for them, beware. Upon age 18 wherever that child lives and works, they will be liable for tax on earnings . To avoid this, you need to visit a US embassy, renounce US Citizenship and pay $2500 for the privilege and of course, pay back any tax outstanding. Dual nationality is not recognised. Some horror stories starting to crop up. Eg 28 year old left the US when he was 1, took family to Disney and was arrested at immigration for tax evasion and hit with a six figure bill!
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I was born in the US, and at the time my father was a Mexican immigrant serving in the US Army who married my mother, a US citizen, just prior to my birth. Thus I had dual US/Mexican citizenship until I turned 18 years old. At that time, under US law, in order to keep my US citizenship I was required to relinquish all other foreign citizenships.
While some countries allow adults to maintain multiple citizenships, the US does not. When you become a US citizen, you are required to reject allegiance to all foreign governments.
While some countries allow adults to maintain multiple citizenships, the US does not. When you become a US citizen, you are required to reject allegiance to all foreign governments.