QBF Flypast vs Sky News
EngO,
Makes you realise what "Combat Mass" we've lost. That F4 16-ship sent shivers down my spine. Maybe the retention of the T1 Typhoons may permit something similar in the future (but would we have the hours to work up such a formation nowadays?).
dctyke,
Think the CH-47 leading the formation was an entirely appropriate example of the RAF's modern "combat force".......
Well done to all those who gave up their time to take part - including the ATC, fire crews and engineers who lost a Saturday as well without the pleasure of flying for HM.
Makes you realise what "Combat Mass" we've lost. That F4 16-ship sent shivers down my spine. Maybe the retention of the T1 Typhoons may permit something similar in the future (but would we have the hours to work up such a formation nowadays?).
dctyke,
Think the CH-47 leading the formation was an entirely appropriate example of the RAF's modern "combat force".......
Well done to all those who gave up their time to take part - including the ATC, fire crews and engineers who lost a Saturday as well without the pleasure of flying for HM.
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Some of you lot are like a bunch of whining babies, but you're not babies, because you're clearly well past the realities of what today's Armed Forces a) have as resources and b) are committed to, overseas.
Just STFU and write to your MP if you're that bothered!
I for one thought it was a great show all round and very appropriate.
Just STFU and write to your MP if you're that bothered!
I for one thought it was a great show all round and very appropriate.
MSOCS - I rather think you are missing the point.
We are well aware that with the resources now available the present day RAF is obviously unable to put on the sort of show that it did in the past. Whether HM is saluted by 30 aircraft or 90 (which would have been nice) is not really that important. What is far more important though is that many of us feel that because of political decisions made by governments of all colours, and some staggering inefficiency by MOD procurement, the RAF is now dangerously undermanned and under equipped in an increasingly unstable world.
That's the real gripe.
We are well aware that with the resources now available the present day RAF is obviously unable to put on the sort of show that it did in the past. Whether HM is saluted by 30 aircraft or 90 (which would have been nice) is not really that important. What is far more important though is that many of us feel that because of political decisions made by governments of all colours, and some staggering inefficiency by MOD procurement, the RAF is now dangerously undermanned and under equipped in an increasingly unstable world.
That's the real gripe.
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Makes you realise what "Combat Mass" we've lost. That F4 16-ship sent shivers down my spine. Maybe the retention of the T1 Typhoons may permit something similar in the future (but would we have the hours to work up such a formation nowadays?).
I seem to recall there was a 16-ship Bucc formation the following year that operated out of Manston.
No hope of ever again putting up the amount of a/c seen for the 1990 BofB 50th Anniversary flypast......
Roly - probably because he has never I believe been promoted above the rank he served in, and big bro is an AF. Don't believe he is Colonel of anything, but if we still had the ACC.......................... - Wander00
That's not really like you at all - Apart from holding the honorary rank of Vice Admiral and being Honorary Commodore of the Fleet Air Arm, I believe that HRH The Duke of York is.... Honorary Air Commodore of RAF Lossiemouth, Colonel-in Chief or Royal Colonel of five British regiments or corps, and Colonel-in-Chief of three Canadian regiments and one New Zealand regiment.
And no, I have no idea why he doesn't wear uniform on the Queen's Official Birthday....
Jack
That's not really like you at all - Apart from holding the honorary rank of Vice Admiral and being Honorary Commodore of the Fleet Air Arm, I believe that HRH The Duke of York is.... Honorary Air Commodore of RAF Lossiemouth, Colonel-in Chief or Royal Colonel of five British regiments or corps, and Colonel-in-Chief of three Canadian regiments and one New Zealand regiment.
And no, I have no idea why he doesn't wear uniform on the Queen's Official Birthday....
Jack
I know the flypast is designed so that it is seen by a lot of people, and I'm not looking to see the jetwash cause chaos in the Mall (97-iot grad flypast at Cranwell!) but the limited spectacle created by most of the elements flying so so high could be somewhat improved. It is a shame that no one has the b---s to approve a reduction in the msd for the flypast.
That said, well done to the boys and girls for putting on the best show the Op Order allowed.
That said, well done to the boys and girls for putting on the best show the Op Order allowed.
PS -I guess we don't want to get in a discussion on his daughters' dress sense - Mrs W waxes lyrical on the topic. great thing is it distracts her from commenting on what passes for mine!
TTN:-
Well, with respect I think that many who have posted here have. This was the 64th Trooping of the Colour that the Queen has attended, and at 90 Years old perhaps one to be especially celebrated. Certainly the large crowds that were there thought so. A huge amount of work to make it so has been put in by those on parade, in the flypast, and as Evalu8tor reminds us, behind the scenes. So let's just give them a, "Very well done ladies and gentlemen all!". No matter the size of a formation, even I know that getting it o/h at exactly P-hour begins way back.
Comments about how small is the RAF (or the RN, or the Army) is something for another place, another time, and not triggered simply because of a flypast. I certainly enjoyed watching the parade and flypast on tele. Whether they were good or otherwise I will leave to the CinC, who has an eye for these things. At some time in the future we will have an ex-professional pilot for Monarch. No doubt the station keeping o/h will then also be part of the wash-up over sippers that the Household Division presently experiences!
MSOCS - I rather think you are missing the point.
Comments about how small is the RAF (or the RN, or the Army) is something for another place, another time, and not triggered simply because of a flypast. I certainly enjoyed watching the parade and flypast on tele. Whether they were good or otherwise I will leave to the CinC, who has an eye for these things. At some time in the future we will have an ex-professional pilot for Monarch. No doubt the station keeping o/h will then also be part of the wash-up over sippers that the Household Division presently experiences!
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Can't help you with composition of BoB 50th Anniversary flypast, but go back a few years and here's what flew past the Queen at the Coronation Review at Odiham.
I can remember being lucky enough to be in London 26 years ago for the Battle of Britain 50th anniversary fly past which would make anything look minor in comparison. Does anyone have any Info on types and numbers from then they could let me have?
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I see health and safety at work has finally reached Betty, one hopes that was a hard hat in disguise and the stitching and buttons on her natty coat were reflective....
Seriously though, congratulations ma'am, as someone quite rightly pointed out, how she manages to do the things she does at her age is beyond me, nothing seems to phase her.
As for Edward and his uniform... It wouldn't look out of place on an African warlord, it's got everything sown on it including the curtain pelmets, surprising really considering he left the military before breakfast.
Trooping the Colour Uniforms and Medals Meanings : People.com
The blurb explains Andrew not being in uniform.
Found this on Charles interesting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...oyal-life.html
I must remember to iron my shoe laces.
Seriously though, congratulations ma'am, as someone quite rightly pointed out, how she manages to do the things she does at her age is beyond me, nothing seems to phase her.
As for Edward and his uniform... It wouldn't look out of place on an African warlord, it's got everything sown on it including the curtain pelmets, surprising really considering he left the military before breakfast.
Trooping the Colour Uniforms and Medals Meanings : People.com
The blurb explains Andrew not being in uniform.
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, does not wear a uniform as he served in the Royal Navy and only the Guards Division, which makes up the Foot Guards and London Regiment of the British Army, march in the event.)
Found this on Charles interesting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...oyal-life.html
I must remember to iron my shoe laces.
Nutloose, couldn't agree more about Edward. The combination of the wearer, being the most unmilitary of all his siblings, dressed in a Gilbert and Sullivan confection that supposedly constitutes the dress uniform of a Colonel of the London Scottish, all topped off with a kilo or two of bling (which hopefully TTN can run us through), adds a comic touch that is possibly unintended.
Warmtoast, that certainly is an impressive turnout for the 1953 Odiham flypast! The pilots' names of the Ministry of Supply formation at the tail end are a Boy's Own list of aviation heroes in their own right! Interesting that the three ship Lyneham Hastings were led by an SAAF Major. Now I wonder what his nickname was?
**A friendly reminder to please play the ball and not the man.
YHS
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Warmtoast, that certainly is an impressive turnout for the 1953 Odiham flypast! The pilots' names of the Ministry of Supply formation at the tail end are a Boy's Own list of aviation heroes in their own right! Interesting that the three ship Lyneham Hastings were led by an SAAF Major. Now I wonder what his nickname was?
**A friendly reminder to please play the ball and not the man.
YHS
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Chug, the link explains them all
Prince Edward rounds out the list of royals who currently wear military uniforms to the Trooping the Colour. (Prince Andrew, Duke of York, does not wear a uniform as he served in the Royal Navy and only the Guards Division, which makes up the Foot Guards and London Regiment of the British Army, march in the event.) In 2014, he wore the dress uniform for the London Scottish Regiment, where he serves as royal honorary colonel. In addition to the Order of the Garter sash (hidden beneath the red sash of his uniform) and star, Edward also wore a star for the Royal Victorian Order (not to be confused with the Royal Victorian Chain that Philip wears, which is an award and not a chivalric order).
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he wears the Silver Jubilee Medal, the Golden Jubilee Medal, the Diamond Jubilee Medal and the New Zealand Commemorative Medal.
Odd, isn't it that most of the serving military never got the Silver Jubilee medal, but he got one.
Mind you medal wise, and in the scheme of awards they are just a bit of bling, rather like McDonalds stars.
Shame they never did a short service award, he would have qualified for that, I wonder if he sent off for his veterans badge
