Bad news after GA crash - 2 RAF Pilots
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Bad news after GA crash - 2 RAF Pilots
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RIP guys,I worked on that one years ago, such a tragedy.
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Some of the tabloid coverage of this sad event is a bit inflammatory:
Others have mentioned 'stunt flying' and seek to make a link to the Shoreham crash. But then I guess there's not much journalistic interest in 'two die in crash, no one else involved'. It's a pity though that they feel the need to stir up controversy over a tragic accident.
RIP chaps.
Tucano planes are used by the RAF to perform displays at airshows and also to train jet pilots.
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I flew the Firefly extensively as a civil FI following time as a tp. This was in the days when students were given realistic instruction in unusual attitude recovery. I have lost count of the number of times that my students were capable of recovering from the most extreme flight conditions (with the exception of inverted spinning - expressly banned by the release to service). In no case did I ever experience any problems or delay in the aircraft being returned to a normal flying attitude and IAS when traditional and correct handling measures were used. I believe it unlikely that two Tucano QFIs would have mishandled the machine to destruction.
p.s. I am also familiar with the Tucano as I did the initial trials before it was selected.
p.s. I am also familiar with the Tucano as I did the initial trials before it was selected.
But what appears to be skin de-lamination and separation from the lower wing surface on the starboard wing is very disturbing.
That may well be from hitting something?
That may well be from hitting something?
The police have now released the names of the two young men who died in this tragedy. It is a difficult time for all involved. Thoughts are with family, friends and all on the squadron.
Their whole, bright futures ahead of them. Rest In Peace.
Their whole, bright futures ahead of them. Rest In Peace.
Guys/Girls(Mods),
Can we maybe set a standard on this site for what is and what is not allowed to be posted regarding accidents: This is the Nth post relating to a tragic accident in the 18 years I have been a member of Pprune where someone wants to report/speculate on the cause on an accident/incident, and where someone else immediately wants to restrain or silence them. We all get that the AAIB, NTSB, TSB, et al, are the authority on such findings once known, but this is a rumour network where such conversation, whether wanted or not, is actually quite healthy and provokes conversation and some hard-fact discussion.
Perhaps the Mods could decide once and for all on this topic, as I am now bored of the "stop speculating- wait for the official report" auto-response that seems to be generated within seconds of these postings. Either embargo entirely these posts or allow full discussion. For those who don't like this; there is the choice not to respond to them; and I do get that there are some personal connections (I have several to those previously posted), but have bitten my tongue.
I am not trying to provoke or be insensitive, but just I am just becoming bored with this regular automatic response to any incident that is broadcast on this site. The realist in me however, knows this request will be ignored/ridiculed and I will continue to be bored by the same arguments going forward.
Had to say this; sorry!
Can we maybe set a standard on this site for what is and what is not allowed to be posted regarding accidents: This is the Nth post relating to a tragic accident in the 18 years I have been a member of Pprune where someone wants to report/speculate on the cause on an accident/incident, and where someone else immediately wants to restrain or silence them. We all get that the AAIB, NTSB, TSB, et al, are the authority on such findings once known, but this is a rumour network where such conversation, whether wanted or not, is actually quite healthy and provokes conversation and some hard-fact discussion.
Perhaps the Mods could decide once and for all on this topic, as I am now bored of the "stop speculating- wait for the official report" auto-response that seems to be generated within seconds of these postings. Either embargo entirely these posts or allow full discussion. For those who don't like this; there is the choice not to respond to them; and I do get that there are some personal connections (I have several to those previously posted), but have bitten my tongue.
I am not trying to provoke or be insensitive, but just I am just becoming bored with this regular automatic response to any incident that is broadcast on this site. The realist in me however, knows this request will be ignored/ridiculed and I will continue to be bored by the same arguments going forward.
Had to say this; sorry!
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RIP to the two young guys, thoughts with the families for their tragic loss.
Also Avtur, very well said. Learning from accidents is a vital component of flight safety (none more so than in GA, and this is a GA accident).
Respectful, professional, sensible and informed discussion is a must. Throughout the investigative process and beyond.
It's the MODs job to police out of order and uniformed trolls, and everybody's job to ignore them.
Also Avtur, very well said. Learning from accidents is a vital component of flight safety (none more so than in GA, and this is a GA accident).
Respectful, professional, sensible and informed discussion is a must. Throughout the investigative process and beyond.
It's the MODs job to police out of order and uniformed trolls, and everybody's job to ignore them.
Agreed Avtur. Those who do not want to read rumours would be better staying away from a rumour network. It is a modern phenomenon to be offended on behalf of others, indeed, our Government has legislated to make it so in law in certain situations.
Avtur - I agree with you mate.
Perhaps we could just make this PPNE if rumours, discussions and thoughts are to be stopped.
No one has named any names in this thread, no one has been insulted and it's all been respectful.
RIP guys.
Perhaps we could just make this PPNE if rumours, discussions and thoughts are to be stopped.
No one has named any names in this thread, no one has been insulted and it's all been respectful.
RIP guys.
Very sad for all closely involved.
Avtur, as far as asking for a more liberal attitude towards reporting such sad events, I think you are onto a loser. In this particular occasion, I posted on the GA thread that the reg of the a/c was visible on press coverage of the crash. Funny old thing, my post was removed . I guess PuN might be more apt (Professional uninformed Network)?
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Avtur, as far as asking for a more liberal attitude towards reporting such sad events, I think you are onto a loser. In this particular occasion, I posted on the GA thread that the reg of the a/c was visible on press coverage of the crash. Funny old thing, my post was removed . I guess PuN might be more apt (Professional uninformed Network)?
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