Baltic 'incident'
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Baltic 'incident'
If this is true then it must have been a bit of a tense time.
Russia jets make 'simulated attack' on US warship in 'aggressive' Baltic incident
also just been on SkyNews as well.
Russia jets make 'simulated attack' on US warship in 'aggressive' Baltic incident
also just been on SkyNews as well.
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Black Sea?
Is this perhaps the same incident that was reported in April 2014 in the Black Sea and involving DG75??
The picture in the article is actually of a French La Fayette FFG so is the whole story just regurgitation ??
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The picture in the article is actually of a French La Fayette FFG so is the whole story just regurgitation ??
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Nope it appears to be new news
Russian warplanes 'aggressively' pass US missile destroyer - BBC News
Russian warplanes 'aggressively' pass US missile destroyer - BBC News
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Hoss 183,
This from a UK newspaper.
Russia jets make 'simulated attack' on US warship in 'aggressive' Baltic incident
This from a UK newspaper.
Russia jets make 'simulated attack' on US warship in 'aggressive' Baltic incident
We did indeed do it to them regularly in the heyday of the Buccaneer force and they didn't seem to object too much. Sometimes they locked us up with weapons systems and then we usually took the hint. Can't really complain about this.
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And the picture is an SU-25, not a 24.
I don't think the crew look tense at all. Clearly, unarmed (relatively) ac who were not coming at the ship at the sort of attack speeds you'd expect.
Looks like a bit of a wazzex to me. Ruffle a few feathers then the Russian agencies will monitor the reactions and comms traffic, plus the wider public reaction. Ascertain the ROE. "How far can we push them"
They wouldn't have done it to Turkey as they know how those react already!
Yup, it is now, but very definitely a Frogfoot earlier.
I seem to remember doing it from Gib, and there being a helicopter flight with hi-res videos (in its day) taking close up shots of passing ships. And it doesn't look much like a simulated attack, just a beat up.
I seem to remember doing it from Gib, and there being a helicopter flight with hi-res videos (in its day) taking close up shots of passing ships. And it doesn't look much like a simulated attack, just a beat up.
Still appears in a google search although the site has been updated. I wouldn't think a frogfoot wazzex would be as impressive as a Fencer though!
Just to show I'm not going doolally:
Just to show I'm not going doolally:
Nevertheless, it's rather more restrained than the behaviour of a certain idiot 35 Sqn Vulcan captain who decided to self-authorise to 'Locate and identify enemy shipping' back in the late '70s, when off to take some photos of a Russian warship (I think it was a Krivak)....
His singlehanded declaration of war against the Sovietski Soyuz was solved by ripping up the original auth sheets, re-writing them after he landed, plus a no coffee, no biscuits debrief with the grown-ups after they'd seen the overflight photos....
His singlehanded declaration of war against the Sovietski Soyuz was solved by ripping up the original auth sheets, re-writing them after he landed, plus a no coffee, no biscuits debrief with the grown-ups after they'd seen the overflight photos....
So would said US ship have painted incoming Ivan fast movers with radar?
Or would that have been viewed as even further provocation?
Surely if even you're exercising, and a `hostile' fast jet approaches at high speed, low level, you'd get a little twitchy?
Or would that have been viewed as even further provocation?
Surely if even you're exercising, and a `hostile' fast jet approaches at high speed, low level, you'd get a little twitchy?
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The problem with the "beat-up" is that there are set rules governing number of passes, distance and minimum altitudes for these situations. As far as I know, they were agreed 40 years ago and haven't changed since. In the case of this event, you can clearly see that those stand-off minima and direction of approach were completely ignored, and neither were the Russians monitoring Guard as they are obliged to do.
As a former MPA pilot, used to gathering int on non NATO warships on a daily basis, you would be in for a proper bollocking if you decided to carry out several passes of that nature. I imagine the Russian crews have probably been giving their boss a darned good listening to back at base, while the official line from the Kremlin remains that it was all perfectly legal.
As a former MPA pilot, used to gathering int on non NATO warships on a daily basis, you would be in for a proper bollocking if you decided to carry out several passes of that nature. I imagine the Russian crews have probably been giving their boss a darned good listening to back at base, while the official line from the Kremlin remains that it was all perfectly legal.
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I imagine the Russian crews have probably been giving their boss a darned good listening to back at base, while the official line from the Kremlin remains that it was all perfectly legal.
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Now imagine a Russian destroyer 40 miles of Newport or San Diego, "full of" cruise missiles. US airplanes would be permanently circling around it like flies and threatening it much harder than those Su-24s with no weapons, and that would be understandable.
So, what's the buzz? Stuff for scared housewives to talk about.....
So, what's the buzz? Stuff for scared housewives to talk about.....
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and threatening it much harder than those Su-24s with no weapons, and that would be understandable.
The truth of the matter is, as always, that our media and politicians will make of it what they like in order to justify whatever narrative they wish to pursue. It was belligerent provocation and many of us military types are wryly smiling because we all know it was a harmless beat up.
That said, if they had been gunned down, I'd be the first to say 'serves them right!' It would certainly have sent a stark message and baselined the rules of play up in the Baltic, whatever they seem to be....
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Tartare, the USN locked anything up. One sortie we found what looked like a group; I switched the radar to sector scan and then fiddled it to provide a near lock up signal.
They had been monitoring but immediately we locked they lit us up good and proper.
Different aircraft, one of our crews flew on top a Krivak and took some good shots down the funnel; rather more than the permitted 3 passes.
They had been monitoring but immediately we locked they lit us up good and proper.
Different aircraft, one of our crews flew on top a Krivak and took some good shots down the funnel; rather more than the permitted 3 passes.