Corbyn & Trident
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The arguments for or against nuclear deterrence aren't really the point here;it's the fact of Mr Corbyn's intention to use the UK Defence budget as a Labour Party slush-fund to pay an electoral bribe to would-be supporters in the defence industry.
The Corbyn plan would swallow a gigantic sum of our money-and contribute no more to the nations defence than if he'd paid Red Robbo and his comrades to build two million Austin Allegro's and dump them in the North Atlantic!
The Corbyn plan would swallow a gigantic sum of our money-and contribute no more to the nations defence than if he'd paid Red Robbo and his comrades to build two million Austin Allegro's and dump them in the North Atlantic!
No -it has the "Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan"
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So whilst I do not agree with Mr Corbyn on, well anything! I would not consider him uninitelligent. I did not see the interview, so can anyone here even attempt to outline his rationale? From what I do understand, this is the most hairbrained idea I have heard of!
My worry is that this topic ought to have been/ still be headline gnus. Not a lot of take up except amongst the terrified informed, is there?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Corbyne good for defence
LB, obviously not looking in the right place. The lovies may not cover it but the broadsheets and unions do. He has brought Defence well in to the public eye.
But these aren't the polucies that will get the Labour Party elected. Consider the battle between Popularist policies presenting free university places, rent controls, more Council housing, nationalised utilities, British Rail, higher living wage...in the face of 12 years of (necessary) austerity and more 'fat cat' Tory rule. Add to this the entryism of the Hard Left (Militant veterans of the 1980s) and I'm not sure the results of the 2020 election will be that easy to call
Quote: .in the face of 12 years of (necessary) austerity
I just don't see "austerity" biting much round here. I don't see it at all.
We were in Spalding at 0830 this morning. Spalding is not, repeat not, prosperous. Agriculture and the dole are the main sources of income [commuting is not easy, and Polish workers snap up jobs the natives cannot be bothered to do].
We could not get into Greggs for a bacon sarnie ......... a very long queue of teenagers buying [and consuming] breakfast. Given that they or their parents could not be bothered with providing breakfast, at least some of them would also be buying lunch later. At a minimum, this has to be about £3 a day for 20 days a month.
They almost all had smart fones ........ bun in one hand, fone in the other. Not cheap, whether contract or purchase.
So that is, say, £50 to £100 per teenager per month.
Austerity?
I accept that matters will be a lot worse in some areas, but they are also a lot better [more prosperous] in many others.
I am tempted to quote Harold MacMillan.
I just don't see "austerity" biting much round here. I don't see it at all.
We were in Spalding at 0830 this morning. Spalding is not, repeat not, prosperous. Agriculture and the dole are the main sources of income [commuting is not easy, and Polish workers snap up jobs the natives cannot be bothered to do].
We could not get into Greggs for a bacon sarnie ......... a very long queue of teenagers buying [and consuming] breakfast. Given that they or their parents could not be bothered with providing breakfast, at least some of them would also be buying lunch later. At a minimum, this has to be about £3 a day for 20 days a month.
They almost all had smart fones ........ bun in one hand, fone in the other. Not cheap, whether contract or purchase.
So that is, say, £50 to £100 per teenager per month.
Austerity?
I accept that matters will be a lot worse in some areas, but they are also a lot better [more prosperous] in many others.
I am tempted to quote Harold MacMillan.
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I am tempted to quote Harold MacMillan.
"The wind of change is blowing through this continent"
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Although a bit off topic for an aviation forum, there appear to be a few inaccuracies in the above posts which I would like to clarify. The Trafalgar class mentioned is a class of 7 not 4 boats. None of which have ICBM missiles, rather they have the capability of non-nuclear weapons such as TLAM. These 'T' class boats are being replaced, extremely slowly by the 'A' class boats, such as HMS Astute. These again are not ICBM capable. The 'V' class boats, such as HMS Trafalgar, are a class of 4 vessels and are equipped with ICBMs. They will require replacing over the next decade.
I Believe Corbyn was referring to a new class of ICBM capable boats, which he would build but not arm. I totally agree that this is absurd. However as a Country we have to decide if ICBMs are affordable. If so, the new vessels should be built. If not, its totally pointless building ICBM capable boats which are considerably more expensive that other types and less capable of meeting other requirements. (Unless of course this is gerrymandering, sounding great to the extreme left but at the same time having the weapons available to load at short notice, thereby he realizes that they are in fact, needed).
There is of course a third option, to fit non ICBM boats with Nuclear tipped TLAM conventional weapons. However there would be inherent problems with this, range, payload, and not the minor problem of agreement with the U.S., and redesigning them as they are their expensive toys we are playing with after all.
I Believe Corbyn was referring to a new class of ICBM capable boats, which he would build but not arm. I totally agree that this is absurd. However as a Country we have to decide if ICBMs are affordable. If so, the new vessels should be built. If not, its totally pointless building ICBM capable boats which are considerably more expensive that other types and less capable of meeting other requirements. (Unless of course this is gerrymandering, sounding great to the extreme left but at the same time having the weapons available to load at short notice, thereby he realizes that they are in fact, needed).
There is of course a third option, to fit non ICBM boats with Nuclear tipped TLAM conventional weapons. However there would be inherent problems with this, range, payload, and not the minor problem of agreement with the U.S., and redesigning them as they are their expensive toys we are playing with after all.
We could not get into Greggs for a bacon sarnie ......... a very long queue of teenagers buying [and consuming] breakfast. Given that they or their parents could not be bothered with providing breakfast, at least some of them would also be buying lunch later. At a minimum, this has to be about £3 a day for 20 days a month.
Thatcher was well on the way to dumping FI, but Galterri jumped the gun and now she's revered. Look at the paper's, they're on line.
Corbyn is rightly questioning our role in the world. Do you really believe our Nuclear Deterrent is independant? It's not.
We're in a club where we can no longer afford the membership. Simple.
Corbyn is rightly questioning our role in the world. Do you really believe our Nuclear Deterrent is independant? It's not.
We're in a club where we can no longer afford the membership. Simple.
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Quote: .in the face of 12 years of (necessary) austerity
I just don't see "austerity" biting much round here. I don't see it at all.
We were in Spalding at 0830 this morning. Spalding is not, repeat not, prosperous. Agriculture and the dole are the main sources of income [commuting is not easy, and Polish workers snap up jobs the natives cannot be bothered to do].
We could not get into Greggs for a bacon sarnie ......... a very long queue of teenagers buying [and consuming] breakfast. Given that they or their parents could not be bothered with providing breakfast, at least some of them would also be buying lunch later. At a minimum, this has to be about £3 a day for 20 days a month.
They almost all had smart fones ........ bun in one hand, fone in the other. Not cheap, whether contract or purchase.
So that is, say, £50 to £100 per teenager per month.
Austerity?
I accept that matters will be a lot worse in some areas, but they are also a lot better [more prosperous] in many others.
I am tempted to quote Harold MacMillan.
I just don't see "austerity" biting much round here. I don't see it at all.
We were in Spalding at 0830 this morning. Spalding is not, repeat not, prosperous. Agriculture and the dole are the main sources of income [commuting is not easy, and Polish workers snap up jobs the natives cannot be bothered to do].
We could not get into Greggs for a bacon sarnie ......... a very long queue of teenagers buying [and consuming] breakfast. Given that they or their parents could not be bothered with providing breakfast, at least some of them would also be buying lunch later. At a minimum, this has to be about £3 a day for 20 days a month.
They almost all had smart fones ........ bun in one hand, fone in the other. Not cheap, whether contract or purchase.
So that is, say, £50 to £100 per teenager per month.
Austerity?
I accept that matters will be a lot worse in some areas, but they are also a lot better [more prosperous] in many others.
I am tempted to quote Harold MacMillan.
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As it used to be said, somewhere there is a village lacking an idiot, will he please go home.
Without the nuclear option, to have a viable deterent to put off any possible attackers we would nned a vast increase in the size of our converntial forces, where would that money come from.
Without the nuclear option, to have a viable deterent to put off any possible attackers we would nned a vast increase in the size of our converntial forces, where would that money come from.
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Why has Japan not been attacked?
Does it have an 'independent' nuclear deterrent?