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What happened to the recent story about the Army QHI/WO1 allegedly fiddling the auth sheets? This is the first controversial thread on this forum for a long time. Its v sad when the most popular topic concerns a winging civvy lardass who has nothing to do with mil avaition (WEBF stitched up bollox). Perhaps all the mil aviators are too busy on the front line for this site...
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What happened to the recent story about the Army QHI/WO1 allegedly fiddling the auth sheets? This is the first controversial thread on this forum for a long time.
I imagine it was ppruned, before the accused QHI/WO1 got on to his legal team. The original post did sound a bit sour, and was there any need to mention the guys' Corps, or was that to emphasise that red-arses have no place in helicopters?
The attack was very very personal, and I don't think belonged on a public forum, a more appropriate place would have been a formal C.O's interview and complaint.
Or is it just sour grapes? It might be a coincidence, but I didn't see the Light-Blue Beret contingent, rushing to get involved in that thread, did you?
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I imagine it was ppruned, before the accused QHI/WO1 got on to his legal team. The original post did sound a bit sour, and was there any need to mention the guys' Corps, or was that to emphasise that red-arses have no place in helicopters?
The attack was very very personal, and I don't think belonged on a public forum, a more appropriate place would have been a formal C.O's interview and complaint.
Or is it just sour grapes? It might be a coincidence, but I didn't see the Light-Blue Beret contingent, rushing to get involved in that thread, did you?
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uwchporfa:
Why don't you email me old chap, then we can discuss missing authsheets. Or is it true what they say about pilots that fly your aircraft type?
.... or you could just gamble that your ID is a secret.
Why don't you email me old chap, then we can discuss missing authsheets. Or is it true what they say about pilots that fly your aircraft type?
.... or you could just gamble that your ID is a secret.
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Jeep,
I think I know who you think that is, but in my opinion, for what it's worth, I think you're wrong. He admitted patronage of this site before and i don't think he'd hide again, he's bigger than that.
I think the more important question, or one of them is why is the AAC transferring WO1's regardless of background or their sharp pencilling skills. Surely if a big badge holder is of the correct calibre they should be applying for a commission in the wonderful anti admin corps, thus leaving us mere mortals with an opportunity to bring experience and also give the corps a few years before going onto LSL/continuance. I say at this point, Rank does not necessarily bring experience, unless you want to look up peoples bottoms with a fine tooth comb.
Here's a thing, there are some very capable, experienced NCO's/SNCO Pilots/Commanders (and, granted some not so !) on their last chance to apply for transfer. There are, as we are more than aware, a limited number of transfer places available. Why then transfer WO's who have a very limited number of years left, not as many as the time bar is for in some cases and, may then go on in subsequent years to apply for a commission, thus having taken a transfer slot from someone who can now no longer apply.
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Is it scandal or just scandalous ?
I think I know who you think that is, but in my opinion, for what it's worth, I think you're wrong. He admitted patronage of this site before and i don't think he'd hide again, he's bigger than that.
I think the more important question, or one of them is why is the AAC transferring WO1's regardless of background or their sharp pencilling skills. Surely if a big badge holder is of the correct calibre they should be applying for a commission in the wonderful anti admin corps, thus leaving us mere mortals with an opportunity to bring experience and also give the corps a few years before going onto LSL/continuance. I say at this point, Rank does not necessarily bring experience, unless you want to look up peoples bottoms with a fine tooth comb.
Here's a thing, there are some very capable, experienced NCO's/SNCO Pilots/Commanders (and, granted some not so !) on their last chance to apply for transfer. There are, as we are more than aware, a limited number of transfer places available. Why then transfer WO's who have a very limited number of years left, not as many as the time bar is for in some cases and, may then go on in subsequent years to apply for a commission, thus having taken a transfer slot from someone who can now no longer apply.
Discuss
Is it scandal or just scandalous ?
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could someone please tell me(an ex crab) what is a redarse? and this site mentions missing auth sheets, do the aac not do the same as the raf and do them in duplicate?
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SLOTK, Not one to sound Condescending or anything like that but if your going to post a reply, surely the facts should be correct? 'REDARSE' is actually a name given to new recruits in the Army from the experienced.
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the sh force may not do the auth sheets in duplicate, but in my 23 years i never saw auth sheets not done in duplicate! maybe the sh force is out of step. also i always knew the rmp as monkeys.
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Looks like we have a crossover then Sony...
I've certainly heard them referred to as REDARSE and REDMONKEYS and a whole bunch of other stuff not suitable for publication. Which seems to be the low regard they are held in, right up until the point you need one.
Recruits tend to get referred to as "NIGS" from "New Guy in Germany" I believe , but it seems to have stuck to any recruit, "NUMPTIES" and "F*KWITS" seem popular as well.Oddly enough, I've never referred to a recruit as a "REDARSE" , but females do get referred to as "SPLITARSES", god alone knows why.
Slang will vary from Regiment to Regiment to Corps etc. Some items of slang are universal in the Forces, some unique to a certain group of people.
Service slang, is an ever evolving language, I'm sure I'd recognise very little of my fathers' slang
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I've certainly heard them referred to as REDARSE and REDMONKEYS and a whole bunch of other stuff not suitable for publication. Which seems to be the low regard they are held in, right up until the point you need one.
Recruits tend to get referred to as "NIGS" from "New Guy in Germany" I believe , but it seems to have stuck to any recruit, "NUMPTIES" and "F*KWITS" seem popular as well.Oddly enough, I've never referred to a recruit as a "REDARSE" , but females do get referred to as "SPLITARSES", god alone knows why.
Slang will vary from Regiment to Regiment to Corps etc. Some items of slang are universal in the Forces, some unique to a certain group of people.
Service slang, is an ever evolving language, I'm sure I'd recognise very little of my fathers' slang
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Sorry Canberra, it was "SONY" as in Sony_Man" not Sonny -lol
First time I heard an RMP referred to as a "Red Arse" was on a Brigade EX on Sennybridge ,when they were doing route marking. My driver was banging on remorseless about "f'ing redarses" just cos they got a f'ing stripe for turning up , etc etc etc", and he knew umpteen better routes to get to the RV, and didn't anyone ever teach these f'ing redarses how to read a map, you get the picture.
I've since heard it used to describe RMP's but perhaps it's one of those words not in general usage to describe the Bobby end of the Army?
First time I heard an RMP referred to as a "Red Arse" was on a Brigade EX on Sennybridge ,when they were doing route marking. My driver was banging on remorseless about "f'ing redarses" just cos they got a f'ing stripe for turning up , etc etc etc", and he knew umpteen better routes to get to the RV, and didn't anyone ever teach these f'ing redarses how to read a map, you get the picture.
I've since heard it used to describe RMP's but perhaps it's one of those words not in general usage to describe the Bobby end of the Army?
Canberra - I think that you'll find that most units stopped the practice of carbon copy Flight Authorisation Sheets with the introduction of the photocopier.......
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Canberra,
HPT is right. SH auth is done on computer(just to confuse those one-fingered numpty typists such as me), and then printed off and signed. Duplicate therefore exists on hard drive. All very well until your stn power goes down, and then we go back to the dark ages of carbon copy sheets....
HPT is right. SH auth is done on computer(just to confuse those one-fingered numpty typists such as me), and then printed off and signed. Duplicate therefore exists on hard drive. All very well until your stn power goes down, and then we go back to the dark ages of carbon copy sheets....
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16 replies golly i thought, there must be a lot of interest in the topic. No, just a load of (ex) crabs arguing about duplicate, or not auth sheets and the correct slang name for the RMP. I believe Monkey is the correct term. Red Cap, but never Red Arse, that is in my limited time as a pongo, then again as no-one associates with them, who cares what you call them.
Am I allowed to use the phrase golly ?
Am I allowed to use the phrase golly ?
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The band around the cap is in fact a very deep blue to the point of almost being black. The area above the band is red, this goes back to the days of the Great War when, to identify Military Policemen to Commanders and as an indication that the man in question was on duty, a red cover was worn over the standard issue khaki cap. This continued to the Second World War and beyond until the introduction of the red beret in the early seventies with units in NI being the first to adopt them. They remained in use by the RMP Mounted Troop stationed in Aldershot until its disbandment in the nineties and the khaki cap with a red cover is now no longer worn. The No1 Dress Forage Cap is still used and not to be confused with the former in that has a black polished peak and chinstrap, a blue band as described and the remaining portion is red. So there!
Those budding detectives amongst you out there have probably worked out who I am now.....D'Oh!
The band around the cap is in fact a very deep blue to the point of almost being black. The area above the band is red, this goes back to the days of the Great War when, to identify Military Policemen to Commanders and as an indication that the man in question was on duty, a red cover was worn over the standard issue khaki cap. This continued to the Second World War and beyond until the introduction of the red beret in the early seventies with units in NI being the first to adopt them. They remained in use by the RMP Mounted Troop stationed in Aldershot until its disbandment in the nineties and the khaki cap with a red cover is now no longer worn. The No1 Dress Forage Cap is still used and not to be confused with the former in that has a black polished peak and chinstrap, a blue band as described and the remaining portion is red. So there!
Those budding detectives amongst you out there have probably worked out who I am now.....D'Oh!