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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 08:20
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But does it really cost 4million to train a P8 or Voyager pilot JTO? I deliberately left F35 out since that's outside my field but my employer was involved in training some current RAF Voyager pilots and the bill didn't come to even a small fraction of 4 million. In any case your 28 year pilot (really?) still needs training up on P8/330/F35 which you haven't costed.

Have the services EVER strived for retention? Im not saying it's right, by the way but we used to have National Service pilots and that's back in what many here would call the good old days.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 08:25
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I believe the 4 million rough cost is from IOT to Wings ( maybe completion of first OCU)

When you factor in recruitment costs, Officer training costs, hold, medical, dental, accommodation, pilot training etc etc it does add up very quickly!!!!

Each OCU does obviously cost money, there's no getting away from that.

But simply, if you get 20+ years out of one initial recruitment and training cost, that's alot more cost effective.

Not to mention the experience that's retained, and thus safety.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 08:37
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Not to mention the experience that's retained, and thus safety.
Absolutely right - but try selling that to either the bean counters or the hierarchy.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 08:40
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So far so good

Brilliant news regarding the P8s, and the number 9 isn't bad. A sound decision along with the two AD typhoon squadrons. Rough numbers but with 150 per tiffie squadron and what, 400 for the P8s, where the people come from and when will be interesting. Devil in the detail I venture.

Good news so far for the light blue
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 10:34
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F-35

How many are we buying then?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 10:48
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138. from the Chancellors lips...
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 12:29
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So where do we imagine the two new Tiffy Squadrons will go then?

In my heart of hearts, I wsh it was Leuchars, but my head insists it will be Leeming.

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 12:41
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Dave: "Bigger Navy, bigger Air Force, better equipped Army".

Difficult to see haow this can be achieved 'quickly', given the lead in time for personnel - and eqipment, for that matter.

Anyhoo, statement at 15:30.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 12:59
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Guess if the rumours of x9 P8's going to Lossie are true, then my guess is that will be 15(R) Sqn disbanding and the training of Tonka aircrew being subsumed as a training flight within one of the Marham Sqns. Would free up plenty of real estate capable of accomodating the P8's.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:01
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would you have a link to the announcement ?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:05
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...in-defence-kit

More news to be released at 15-30.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:07
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Something about "Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday but never jam today ..."
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:12
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Wokkafans, Thank you for the link.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:26
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Guess if the rumours of x9 P8's going to Lossie are true, then my guess is that will be 15(R) Sqn disbanding and the training of Tonka aircrew being subsumed as a training flight within one of the Marham Sqns. Would free up plenty of real estate capable of accomodating the P8's.
Not much guessing is needed when you consider that Tornado retires in 2019, so aircrew training is likely to stop in 2018 (if not earlier). We are unlikely to see any P-8 before then even if we sign the contract tomorrow.

What will be interesting is how tightly they can squeeze any more Typhoon squadrons in at Lossie, as Coningsby is pretty full already and I can't see a third Typhoon base being a cost-effective option. We would then have seven front-line squadrons at Lossie with another independence referendum to come if "Leave" wins the EU referendum. Not to mention the possibility of higher income tax rates in Scotland for the lucky individuals posted up to what will be truly a mega-base. Interesting times ahead.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:37
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when you consider that Tornado retires in 2019,
Not necessarily - wouldnt be surprised if there's an extension to Tornado OSD as it is the Platform of choice (necessity!) at the minute with Typhoon not being fully capable.

Can see two new Tiffie sqn's being split between Conz & Los but then personnel accomodation could be a major issue.

Maybe the Leeming rumour has some merit with HAS sites and accomodation available.....and there is the other rumour of "Tatty Ton" getting some Tranche 1 Tiffies.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:44
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Tatty Ton?

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 13:51
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 14:03
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when you consider that Tornado retires in 2019,

Not necessarily - wouldnt be surprised if there's an extension to Tornado OSD as it is the Platform of choice (necessity!) at the minute with Typhoon not being fully capable.
Aye, but the whole point of a 2019 OSD for the Tornado is to coincide with the Typhoon becoming fully capable. I think that the extended Typhoon OSD and additional numbers, the 138 F-35s, and the P-8s is Christmas enough for the RAF given how SDSR could have gone...
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 14:06
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Would a motto (Tatty Ton's) translating as "Never stir up a hornet's nest" be propitious for Middle East operations ????

Good one for an F-18 Sqn tho'
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 14:15
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I think this is going to be a live broadcast
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