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Maritime Patrol Capability: The SDSR’s Wolf Whistle

Old 23rd Nov 2015, 20:43
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More than capable of that pr00ne, just not wasting too much on your dribbling. Past experience of your postings I guess. Maybe you've changed, but I doubt it.

You seem to be extremely well informed about the customer intentions*, so I will bow to your superior knowledge.

*Despite you not having a clue about the aircraft.



Anyway, let's get back to what is important. The government has announced its intention to procure 9 Boeing P8s and for that we should be extremely pleased.

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 20:55
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The RAF has a HUGE reserve of AAR credit held with the USN for operations in Iraq 2 and Afghan (4?). Must admit I larfed at the F35B CONOPS that sees a (tiny) terminal tanker as a realistic option.....

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 20:56
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All the Nimrods were grey anyway.....
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:00
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All the Nimrods were grey anyway.....
Well kind of...

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:05
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Must be drawing on some of that for the RJ though. Albeit from the USAF.

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:06
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I don't think the discussion on potential alternative colour schemes for UK RJ lasted very long.

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:09
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The RAF has a HUGE reserve of AAR credit held with the USN for operations in Iraq 2 and Afghan (4?)
Unlike the RAF's own FJs during Bliar's Balkan bring-a-bottle-and-come-as-you-are wars, whose commanders refused to have any RAF TriStar involvement in critical missions....

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:14
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And would 14 Kawasaki P 1 for the same money have been better? Wouldn't have to bicker over which squadrons would stand up, we could have had lots!
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:17
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All the Nimrods were grey anyway.....
Well, kind of:


The flying ****e!

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:21
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Much will depend upon the heating reduction caused by the paint scheme (it cost quite a bit to re-colour the E-3D to Barley Grey).
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:21
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OK one of those rare times where I feel compelled to comment here but why all this talk about an OCU or training flights?

There already is a training squadron and OCU for the P-8 Poseidon and RAF crew have passed through it and are currently deployed with it training aircrew, VP-30 at NAS Jacksonville.

RAF promotes two at VP-30 Seedcorn Exchange | jacksonville.com

Why set up a UK based OCU when post initial training crew can be sent stateside and pass through USN facilities?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 21:51
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Weather ???
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 22:18
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Perhaps we paint them blue and white and then rent them out to Ryanair when we are not using them.


The colour they come in is not that important, the most important thing is to ensure that we actually take delivery of them as promised.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 22:21
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The P-8 is indubitably equipped for boom refuelling, down to a matt-painted panel above the windshield to keep the sun out of the operator's eyes.

Exactly why, I don't know. The kit had been developed and paid for under Wedgetail and it may have been considered valuable for certain missions and heavy/high-drag configurations (such as carrying a ing big radar around).
I suspect that the P8 will not routinely use the AAR capability while operating in the maritime environment, however in an overland operation such as Iraq/Syria, where boom tankers routinely inhabit the airspace, then AAR would be an option. It is far better to have the capability and not use it, than to need the capability and not have it.

AAR on Wedgetail has already proved itself a very useful capability, though it does make for extremely long flights. The P8 carries more fuel than Wedgetail, about another 7 tonnes, so a single refuelling will push P8 mission times out to 20+ hours; good luck with that!

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 22:42
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If they have trained in the UK but converted to type in the US why would weather be an issue? When back to the UK then a more limited acclimatisation set of check flights would be the order of the day.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 23:09
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Oh come on this thing will never fly low enough to see any survivors let alone be able to drop ASRA close enough to them.
From the Guardian
• Friday's search of the southern Indian Ocean yielded no sightings of debris from missing flight MH370. Five aircraft took part – three Australian Orions, a long-range Bombardier Global Express corporate jet and a US Navy P8 – flying very low, with the search conducted by officers looking out of the window, after radar proved ineffective. The search will resume on Saturday at dawn.
The reason why the radar search was ineffective was that there was nothing there to detect. If survivors were in the water, they would have seen them.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 23:14
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Originally Posted by A and C
As a civilian who was very worried by the security issues raised by the lack of an MPA capability I don't give a tinkers curse about the badge that goes on the side of the aircraft, I am just very pleased that the UK is getting back a capability that it should never have let slip.

My hope is that the requirement for these aircraft is so urgent that we can get a few of them from the production intended for the US Navy, this would have the advantage of quick delivery times and BAe not being involved in a high cost long delivery time gold plating.
I heartily agree. Very good news that the capability is to be regenerated. It would be nice to learn something about the reasons behind selection of P8 over any other option though. Can anyone contribute?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 23:25
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Y-G - endurance depends what you're doing. Take a look at AAS - it drops down on a trapeze when you're using it, which is going to cause all kinds of protest from the passing molecules of air.

As noted in other threads, the AAS is also the reason for using the -800 fuselage and for putting the weapon bay in the ass-end of the airplane. The result is one heavy airplane.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 23:31
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Probably a PFI with Ryanair, with half the fleet on lease for summer I.T traffic!
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 23:44
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P8 low level

Have you chaps not seen the pics of P8 at 200 ft? It flies down there all the time, it's nice and comfortable and it has spotted small life rafts from stricken yachts already, many times.
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