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Maritime Patrol Capability: The SDSR’s Wolf Whistle

Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:26
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Likewise, JN. If there was a detailed evaluation of different options it was apparently done without asking anyone who was offering a non-P-8 option, and was furthermore conducted in a locked hangar at Akrotiri, next door to the place where they keep the weather balloons.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:30
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Jolly good. So it should be a simple matter to explain that, and to allay the fears of people like me.
It probably would be, but why on earth should we bother?

This modern wish to tell the public everything has totally failed to help us in living memory, so why don't we just keep secrets and not bother?

We all know what we want, and public trials have singularly failed to get us the kit we need.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:41
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If you want AAS to replace Sentinel you'll need some vital supporting hardware:

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:44
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WO - The P-8 has two Wescam fits. It usually carries one under the nose, but it is pallet-mounted so that, when the AAS radar is installed, it can be slotted into an alternate bay just behind the MLG.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:49
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Because we live in a democracy, and in such a system, those who pay the bills (the taxpayers) have a right to know how and why their money is being spent.

Moreover, it is surely much better that the taxpayers and voters know that decisions costing billions of pounds have not been arrived at lightly or casually, since otherwise, defence spending will become a lower priority in the public mind. The services who explain their requirements and procurement priorities most clearly will be those who gain greatest public support, and politicians will find it easier and more popular to spend money on those programmes.

The RAF have not done a good job in this area, and as a result, its priority programmes probably enjoy less public support than (say) the Navy's carrier programme, or the Army's Special Forces, and even it's battle to save particular 'cap badges'.
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LO,

With the money being spent by Lockheed promoting it's C-130-based solution, presumably that company thought that there was a real competition……?
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:55
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The RAF have not done a good job in this area, and as a result, its priority programmes probably enjoy less public support than (say) the Navy's carrier programme, or the Army's Special Forces, and even it's battle to save particular 'cap badges'.
Erm, did you just see the SDSR?


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Because we live in a democracy, and in such a system, those who pay the bills (the taxpayers) have a right to know how and why their money is being spent.
Remind me where this right is written down? We have been a democracy for an awful long time, and we certainly never used to tell everybody....
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The public image has no effect on spending, as the demise of harrier showed.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 15:59
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Really, Tourist?

Do you remember how the whistle got blown on AEW3? That's certainly within living memory (I'm not dead, for one).
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:04
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Capability

So for the advocates of propeller of other solutions how many of them have the ferry range to fly from Wideawake to Mount Pleasant in a single hop, or the combat radius to cover thousands of square miles of the South Atlantic? The UK has a global presence and needs to have a global capability to protect its interests.
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EasyStreet,

Not just a concept image

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:11
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Will our P-8s use the 737 Max airframe?
There is a considerable improvement in payload/range.
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A very special thanks should go to Andy Roberts for the many hours he spent lobbying the government.

Moving on, the 1st 3 Poseidons are planned to be in service by 2020.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:20
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LO,

Many thanks for the clarification.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:24
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When is the ISD/FOC? Training Command is going to have to spin up to cater for F-35/FGR4/P8 aircrew posts...

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:30
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Will our P-8s use the 737 Max airframe?
There is a considerable improvement in payload/range.
Please :roll eyes:

Off the production line, joint modifications and upgrades - and certainly no UK one-off additions or spec changes. We'd end up paying more for the mod and it's maintenance than the rest of the programme......
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko View Post
Because we live in a democracy, and in such a system, those who pay the bills (the taxpayers) have a right to know how and why their money is being spent.

Moreover, it is surely much better that the taxpayers and voters know that decisions costing billions of pounds have not been arrived at lightly or casually, since otherwise, defence spending will become a lower priority in the public mind. The services who explain their requirements and procurement priorities most clearly will be those who gain greatest public support, and politicians will find it easier and more popular to spend money on those programmes.

The RAF have not done a good job in this area, and as a result, its priority programmes probably enjoy less public support than (say) the Navy's carrier programme, or the Army's Special Forces, and even it's battle to save particular 'cap badges'.
Feel free to point to any other OA done in the public eye to support a major buy, and then you can FoI the OA for the P-8 buy.

Forgive me - and this is a genuine question, as I don't hang around PPRuNe much - are you a journo? I don't care either way frankly.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 16:51
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I'm just so very happy that we will be back in the MPA game, operating a very competent & proven airframe.

I'm just jealous that I won't get the chance to have a go.
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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:33
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BEagle raised a valid question earlier @#17 with respect to AAR for our P-8's. I was surprised to see this 'info graphic ' just released by the MOD ...



Apparently AAR is N/A

Is this true

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Old 23rd Nov 2015, 17:36
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Jackonicko

The P-8A does NOT drop buoys at FL nosebleed. It can, but doesn't routinely.

The platform is wonderful at low level.

No point in spouting on here, hoping for a reaction.....

Although you just got one!
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