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Reports of A400 Crash, Saville, Spain

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Old 10th May 2015, 10:57
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Mickj3,

I think 212man's post was more specific than you have inferred. His remark could apply equally to non-professional pilots. But this is neither the time nor the place to get into personal indignation. Think of the crew and family for now.
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Old 10th May 2015, 11:30
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Actually, I amended very quickly after posting it, and removed the reference to pilots, so not sure why you haven't seen that. Sorry for the unintended offence
Originally Posted by Mickj3
Posted by 212man. quote "Because, in the main, the pages on this forum are frequented by professional pilots, not a bunch of knob-heads".

I have thought hard about replying to 212mans post but feel that I must. I object to the arrogant inference that if one is not a pilot one is a knob-head. 212 has demonstrated that at least one pilot fits into that category.

Very sad event in Spain, RIP to all those involved.
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Old 10th May 2015, 12:33
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Originally Posted by Mickj3
Posted by 212man. quote "Because, in the main, the pages on this forum are frequented by professional pilots, not a bunch of knob-heads".

I have thought hard about replying to 212mans post but feel that I must. I object to the arrogant inference that if one is not a pilot one is a knob-head. 212 has demonstrated that at least one pilot fits into that category.

Very sad event in Spain, RIP to all those involved.
Thanks to all for the lack of wild theorizing and speculation. The Airbus Defence and Space website, and indeed the Airbus website, both tell you everything that is factually known thus far. Names are known to me, and I have lost 4 professional colleagues with a further 2 VSI. As a close, multinational team on the project it is a tragedy that is felt across the company. I am sure the names will be made public in due course by the company. I will not be revealing them on here, or via PMs out of respect to the families.
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I must say, I admire Airbus' handling of this. I was busy with other things, and the first I heard of it was a press release from them.

In their second release, they used the phrase "devastated to confirm ..... we have lost 4 of our crew ...."

Not your usual corporate 'communication', I think.

Not only that, but each email included the names, phone numbers and emails of no less than seven people to contact if necessary.

Dignified way to behave.

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Old 10th May 2015, 13:32
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I noticed a Bmi Regional Embraer hot-footing it down from Bristol to Seville yesterday (on FR24)....not a usual route, so I suspect related?

These things happen so rarely these days that they are the more shocking when they do, RIP and speedy recovery to those involved.
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Old 10th May 2015, 16:52
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Tower Communications

Media have reported that the crew reported a technical problem. Has there been any indication that they stated the nature of the problem?

Also, many sources are now reporting that both flight recorders have been found. We should have some pretty solid information in a day or two.
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Old 10th May 2015, 17:10
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Well I guess I got an answer from 212 man-although not phrased in a very professional way cpnsidering the rational reason he gives.

I don't disagree with the gist of his answer , personally although I read some Mil threads of interest to me I don't look at them enough to form an opinion about whether they are not read anything like as widely as some of the 'main' ones.
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Old 10th May 2015, 18:27
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Shocking accident. All best wishes to those affected. I really hope the poor chaps who were hurt, will be on the road to recovery very soon.


God bless.
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Old 10th May 2015, 18:29
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Besides this being a military plane, i would humble ask...is this also equipped with a similar CVR & FDR like in the civil ones, or something similar?
A true sad tragedy...may all rest in peace and to those two other occupants may could recover fast. JF
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Old 10th May 2015, 19:14
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Very selfless act on their part.
I hope that the Spaniards have an equivalent to the George Medal, or possibly a George Cross.

It seems that one was earned.
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Old 10th May 2015, 20:23
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Saw my first A400m only a few weeks ago. My youngest was very impressed by it.
My condolences to all affected by this. I hope those injured recover quickly and we'll.
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Old 10th May 2015, 20:28
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Wycombe, pax britanica and SteveRosenburg,

Did you miss trumpet trousers' posts? A request from fellow PPRuNers for some dignity. So why not leave the speculation alone and drop the personal indignation? Leave it for another place and a another time.
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Old 10th May 2015, 20:33
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There's a report of multiple engine failures attributed to one of the survivor of the crash.

A400M: Überlebender berichtet von Triebwerkschaden - SPIEGEL ONLINE

automatic translation to english:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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Old 10th May 2015, 20:51
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re Trumpet Trousers request for dignity

Fully agree. No doubt seconded by the whole Airbus class of 1994 (A330)
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Old 10th May 2015, 21:16
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Come again, Courtney? You would not see me speculating around the accident itself, or any other. Further indignation at your accusation at this point would not be appropriate either.
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Old 10th May 2015, 21:22
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Wycombe, my unreserved apologies. I have looked back at the posts and have it completely wrong. Sorry, with deepest respect.

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The Spiegel reports that the flight programme in Toulouse will continued as planned, so I suppose Airbus already know the cause of the problem. Are the RAF aircraft still grounded?
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Old 11th May 2015, 08:45
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Whilst respecting the sad loss of fellow professionals, Pprune IS the place to discuss thoughts, causes, whatever provided it is within the bounds of decency. That is the beauty of Pprune and if anyone thinks otherwise - "Where have you been for the last 20yrs on Pprune".

Causes / assumptions: bring it on.............................................

Hey, this is aviation - sh*t happens
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Old 11th May 2015, 08:51
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It can't be wrong to share some technical news and informed thoughts. However we should better just avoid the usual blame game and respect the privacy of those involved.
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Old 11th May 2015, 09:14
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I agree, Less Hair. I think it was the speculation and blame stuff he's asked us to lay off. News is good, I hope.
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