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Having recently PVR'd I was told I have to do the full 12 months. I had asked for 6 weeks less than the year because the job I'm going to to starts 2 months prior to the allocated date of release (my requested date would have been fine taking into account leave etc). When I pointed out that I had a job to go to and I would have given the full years notice had I not been away in a hot dusty place for a month I was told tough that was the boards decision and they didn't want to set a precedent. I know of non-aircrew types who have had to do less than a year, does anybody know of any pilots/navs etc that have been allowed to take less? 
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My undertsanding has always been that their flexibility depends on whether you will leave a hole. You could always try telling them you will leave on unpaid terminal leave - or go sick for 2 weeks - assume the last 4 will be terminal leave anyway; also stack up 6 weeks leave if poss. One way or another if you play the system cannily you will get close enough.... *fingers x'd* !!!
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Resettlement is not an entitlement, depending on terms of service, we are eligible for resettlement. That said, resettlement time is not usually refused but "the exigencies of the Service" card can and has been played! Yes, check your resettlement carefully as resettlement time is now graduated with length of service and I don't remember shaking peoples' hands when I interviewed them when they said they were not going to use it!
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Yup, I did it (Ex Rotary Nav). Played my hand in Jan 2000 and out 30th Nov 2000. Got my best mate who has his own company to fake a job offer which I submitted with my PVR and it seemed to work. Mind you I did have to do 3 months in SFOR HQ but it was worth it. Plus I had 99 days leave when I got back as I had saved absolutely everything up over the year!
From what I found out no one seems to know what the legal maximum time they can keep you in for after PVR'ing is, but having seen collegues take the hard nosed shooting from hip approach to PVR and getting no where I decided to try the nicely nicely after you old boy approach and it worked just fine.
Best of luck, let me know if you need any other info.
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From what I found out no one seems to know what the legal maximum time they can keep you in for after PVR'ing is, but having seen collegues take the hard nosed shooting from hip approach to PVR and getting no where I decided to try the nicely nicely after you old boy approach and it worked just fine.
Best of luck, let me know if you need any other info.
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Don't forget that Paternity leave is now a right and can only be deferred but not refused. They cannot defer it outside of your employment period or reduce your entitlement to it. Of course you have to have a sprog/s of the required age so if you haven't got any yet I should get a move on!
Equally if they won't play ball, ask your legal section for thier opinion on the sympathy of your appointment.
Finally, if you are not qualified to do anything ie fail trappers or have some medical condition (stress is always a good one, and believe me the closer that start date comes the more stress you'll experience) that will ground you at unit level. You then tell the medical section when you are discharged that you do not want any of your records divulged to any civilian organisation, thus not jepordising your next job.
Whilst doing the above get family services or there equivalent involved who will grant you up to 4? weeks compassionate leave and Bob's your uncle.
They used to call it Operation Awkward.
Equally if they won't play ball, ask your legal section for thier opinion on the sympathy of your appointment.
Finally, if you are not qualified to do anything ie fail trappers or have some medical condition (stress is always a good one, and believe me the closer that start date comes the more stress you'll experience) that will ground you at unit level. You then tell the medical section when you are discharged that you do not want any of your records divulged to any civilian organisation, thus not jepordising your next job.
Whilst doing the above get family services or there equivalent involved who will grant you up to 4? weeks compassionate leave and Bob's your uncle.
They used to call it Operation Awkward.
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From my experience when I left the military ( I was not pilot ) they will try to get every last drop out of you. The more you try and fight your corner the higher the level the "no's" come back from. Your best bet maybe with a sympathetic CO/Relief/Appointer. My CO was most understanding for the need to get on with new life etc, and we came to a mature sensible adult agreement that was to the benefit of me and my Squadron, without breaking any rules. Best of luck for the future Aggressive.
Heard about a mate once who just said "I'm leaving". Sent all his kit by post to his station, put all the money he was still receiving into a deposit account (but had the interest transferred to his current account) and told the RAF they could have it back whenever they wanted. In the end I believe they just let him go.........
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I`m Leaving!!
Might be the same as Beagles chap, but in the late 80s this happened when a Fg Off went AWOL (from Gutersloh), yet let his address (in France) be known. After many months he returned, had a chat with a trick cyclist, and was never seen again.
Probably a multi millionaire by now.
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Probably a multi millionaire by now.
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It's a real bummer for you, but the answer is simple: if you go early, anyone can say "he did it, why can't I?" and suddenly PVR time is less across the board. Any decent lawyer could then get everyone out early.
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Jay......your point is what?
If a guy has done his "fair share" why should he be penalised because his lords and master are incapable of dragging enough "bods"off the street to fill his post.
I have said it before on here and apologise for the repeat but after 28 years I would rather my son becambe a "gay bin man" than entered this poorly run outfit I now reside in.
Like AA due to the under manning in my trade, ALM, I would almost certainly be asked to stay as long as possible.
However I would cosnsider a catastophic maritial break up that leaves me in such straights of despair that I am no longer considered "airworthy" as a pretty good "get out of jail free" card, now all I have to do is get to get the wife to learn her lines ............................................................ ...............................................and find a job that will pay me enough to put my plan into action.
AA There is enough good advice here for you to get your way....use the system to your best advantge and I hope it all works out for you in the end.
"go sick...go sick...go sick...go sick...go sick...rah rah rah!!!"
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If a guy has done his "fair share" why should he be penalised because his lords and master are incapable of dragging enough "bods"off the street to fill his post.
I have said it before on here and apologise for the repeat but after 28 years I would rather my son becambe a "gay bin man" than entered this poorly run outfit I now reside in.
Like AA due to the under manning in my trade, ALM, I would almost certainly be asked to stay as long as possible.
However I would cosnsider a catastophic maritial break up that leaves me in such straights of despair that I am no longer considered "airworthy" as a pretty good "get out of jail free" card, now all I have to do is get to get the wife to learn her lines ............................................................ ...............................................and find a job that will pay me enough to put my plan into action.
AA There is enough good advice here for you to get your way....use the system to your best advantge and I hope it all works out for you in the end.
"go sick...go sick...go sick...go sick...go sick...rah rah rah!!!"
all spelling mistake are "df" alcohol induced
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I didn't say I agreed with how things are, but anyone who runs a big outfit like this is not going to let people go early when numbers are low, no matter WHAT their circumstances are. A lot of people will remember John 'Wacky' Wheeler, the CGI at Cranwell for years. His dining out speech was a classic and he reminded us that: You are not a person, you are a number.
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Jay........I still ask the question......your point is what?
You may consider yourself a "Patrick McGoohan" but I, and probably thousands more, do not.
The advice being sought by AA was how to circumvent the current short staffing levels we ALL experiance. Assuming he has given many years of loyal service why should he now be hard shipped because of someone elses failings.
It's a prety sad indictment of todays RAF when the best advice is to find himself "sick" at the point he wants to leave. Add to that nobody wishes to end their military days under such a cloud but what have we driven our people to?
I hope AA finds a suitable solution to his problem.........preferably one that gives the system a well needed bot in the hoop.
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You may consider yourself a "Patrick McGoohan" but I, and probably thousands more, do not.
The advice being sought by AA was how to circumvent the current short staffing levels we ALL experiance. Assuming he has given many years of loyal service why should he now be hard shipped because of someone elses failings.
It's a prety sad indictment of todays RAF when the best advice is to find himself "sick" at the point he wants to leave. Add to that nobody wishes to end their military days under such a cloud but what have we driven our people to?
I hope AA finds a suitable solution to his problem.........preferably one that gives the system a well needed bot in the hoop.
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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AA,
a mate of mine who has also been given a long PVR wait asked a friendly Admin Officer about ways to escape the forces. It seems that most of the old ruses, prospective MP, homosexual etc no longer apply. The only way for an officer to get out without a criminal record or a bad reference is to become a republican. As your authority is derived from the queen and all orders you give are given in her name, if you refuse to accept her as head of state they are obliged to take away your commission. I have never heard of anyone trying this one, it would be interesting to see what happened.
a mate of mine who has also been given a long PVR wait asked a friendly Admin Officer about ways to escape the forces. It seems that most of the old ruses, prospective MP, homosexual etc no longer apply. The only way for an officer to get out without a criminal record or a bad reference is to become a republican. As your authority is derived from the queen and all orders you give are given in her name, if you refuse to accept her as head of state they are obliged to take away your commission. I have never heard of anyone trying this one, it would be interesting to see what happened.
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I applied for PVR at the end of 1997, and was given 12 months to exit. I completed my ATPL by May '98, and had interviews with three airlines in the same month. In early June it became obvious that I would have a job to go to well before the 12 months was up, and I took a job with Virgin starting on 3rd August. I spoke to my desk officer who advised me to write a formal letter requesting early release. I did, and it was granted.
The main things in my favour were a) my sqn boss who told the board that he could spare me at a time when in fact he was very short of OCU instructors, and b) my own post was to be disestablished on my departure.
Anyway, it can be done!
The main things in my favour were a) my sqn boss who told the board that he could spare me at a time when in fact he was very short of OCU instructors, and b) my own post was to be disestablished on my departure.
Anyway, it can be done!
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Per Ordure Ad Asti,
What has changed re the MP game? A recent discussion on this topic came up with what seems to be a foolproof solution:
1. Find the smallest constituency in the country
2. Stand as an Independent
3. Encourage all service voters to register in said constituancy
4. Stand back an watch the votes roll in
5. Take your comfy seat in da house, collect salary/allowances for nice pad in town etc
6.Hey presto, added bonus, the boys(and girls) have their 'man on the inside' to represent their views etc
Points? Questions?
It seems that most of the old ruses, prospective MP, homosexual etc no longer apply
1. Find the smallest constituency in the country
2. Stand as an Independent
3. Encourage all service voters to register in said constituancy
4. Stand back an watch the votes roll in
5. Take your comfy seat in da house, collect salary/allowances for nice pad in town etc
6.Hey presto, added bonus, the boys(and girls) have their 'man on the inside' to represent their views etc
Points? Questions?
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I'll soon be there.
20 Days to go until I'm a Mr.
I have had to do the full 12 months as I was told that unless I had a position to go to that was going to benefit the service, I had no chance of earl release.
I even found a QR the states, in effect: That airman aircrew are not to be re-engaged beyond 22 years service until they have completed 14 years. Joy I thought until I was told by my desk officer that I had not been re-engaged but offered further service at 11 years. Re-engagement has to be approved by a board and they make sure that this criteria is met.
Still I happy that I made the decision to go. I have a job, a house and more importantly, peace of mind that I will only have to work days, will be able to spend more time with my family and the only time I'll be going abroad will be when I want to and for my enjoyment. Service pension to supplement poorer civi salary but I wont have to work as hard. Happy days.
There are plenty of jobs out there when you look.
I have had to do the full 12 months as I was told that unless I had a position to go to that was going to benefit the service, I had no chance of earl release.
I even found a QR the states, in effect: That airman aircrew are not to be re-engaged beyond 22 years service until they have completed 14 years. Joy I thought until I was told by my desk officer that I had not been re-engaged but offered further service at 11 years. Re-engagement has to be approved by a board and they make sure that this criteria is met.
Still I happy that I made the decision to go. I have a job, a house and more importantly, peace of mind that I will only have to work days, will be able to spend more time with my family and the only time I'll be going abroad will be when I want to and for my enjoyment. Service pension to supplement poorer civi salary but I wont have to work as hard. Happy days.
There are plenty of jobs out there when you look.
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One I heard a while back:
Sqn Ldr Bloggs: writes to PMA, announcing his resignation.
IAW 'European Law' he gives notice equivalent to the period between pay packets (ie. 1 month).
PMA: no reply, cos nobody knew how to respond.
Sqn Ldr Bloggs: 2 weeks later, writes a reminder to PMA.
PMA: no reply, cos nobody knew how to respond.
On day of 'resignation', Bloggs goes to Gen Office, hands in his 1250 and walks out of the camp gates, never to return.
Probably urban myth, but kudos to Bloggs if he exists !
Sqn Ldr Bloggs: writes to PMA, announcing his resignation.
IAW 'European Law' he gives notice equivalent to the period between pay packets (ie. 1 month).
PMA: no reply, cos nobody knew how to respond.
Sqn Ldr Bloggs: 2 weeks later, writes a reminder to PMA.
PMA: no reply, cos nobody knew how to respond.
On day of 'resignation', Bloggs goes to Gen Office, hands in his 1250 and walks out of the camp gates, never to return.
Probably urban myth, but kudos to Bloggs if he exists !
