Archbishop apologises for Dresden bombings
Both in Europe, and both involving people from Other European (and other) countries. (Russia is a European country, in case you weren't sure. )
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Danny,42C, trying to hit a very light ballon with an aircraft is very different from blasting away with cannon or machine guns , an aircraft will push a lot of air and cause something a light as a ballon to move out of the way, fifty call rounds do not telegraph their impending arrival. Regardles of this, S/Ldr Star, the C.O. of 253 Sqdn RAF was killed whilst descending by parachute on the 31 of August 1940, this is very well documented, when I can dig my way through the snow to the building in which my papers are stored I can provide you with many more examples, also will be visiting my brother in law in the UK next month who has extensive records and memories of the cause of death of may of the aircrew he dug up, a grim task indeed.
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Both internal conflicts.
Rule one, either you help your side as your enemy will be helping theirs.
Rule two, how much do I care about my side and what do I stand to lose.
In the modern world borders are just lines on a map, the integration time of what is happening further away affecting yourself, is getting smaller.
As for Dresden, RIP, but tough, everyone wants to be a revisionist. There is one sad fact, war is a disgusting foul sometimes necessary thing (human nature -> animal nature) The moral question of how far you go in ending it as quickly as possible, to extending it is a hard one.
Another words the possibility of x people dying in short amount of time versus 10x amount of people over a longer period.
Bombing
My late friend George(worked for Boulton-Paul in Wolverhampton)His words as I remember them"I volunteered to drive to Coventry to pick up parts we needed,we arrived just as the raid started and were almost at our destination after taking cover,the street had a river of melted margarine and fat carrying dead bodies with it .I will never forget that night.
Another friend was in the WRENS in Plymouth"we were in the shelters during the raid and some bombs dropped very close.After, I tried to get home but the city centre was just a pile of smoking rubble.
Tell them Dresden was not justified.
Oh yes and the Luftwaffe strafed the main street of the small port I was brought up in.Now why would they do that?
Another friend was in the WRENS in Plymouth"we were in the shelters during the raid and some bombs dropped very close.After, I tried to get home but the city centre was just a pile of smoking rubble.
Tell them Dresden was not justified.
Oh yes and the Luftwaffe strafed the main street of the small port I was brought up in.Now why would they do that?
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Just who should be getting the flak ?
Having taken the trouble to read the archbishop's speech I can't see and apology for the bombing, as some of you may know from previous posts of mine on this subject I am very supportive of the bomber offensive during WW2 and even more supportive of the men of Bomber Command who at huge cost carried out the offensive.
These men and others spent five years of their lives fighting a war they did not want or choose with the memory of WW1 fresh in their minds for the ideals of freedom and democracy.
Part of this freedom was the right to free speech that the so called newspaper used to misquote the archbishop to cause offence and outrage just to sell a few newspapers.
All right thinking people should not be getting irate at a man who points out the folly of war, they should be attacking those who abuse the right to free speach that cost the men of Bomber Command so much.
I would suggest the place to start would be never again buy that disgusting rag The Daily Mail.
These men and others spent five years of their lives fighting a war they did not want or choose with the memory of WW1 fresh in their minds for the ideals of freedom and democracy.
Part of this freedom was the right to free speech that the so called newspaper used to misquote the archbishop to cause offence and outrage just to sell a few newspapers.
All right thinking people should not be getting irate at a man who points out the folly of war, they should be attacking those who abuse the right to free speach that cost the men of Bomber Command so much.
I would suggest the place to start would be never again buy that disgusting rag The Daily Mail.
For newcomers, he didn't apologise.
His full speech is here (courtesy of Chugalug 2, post #83)
Archbishop's speech on 70th anniversary of Dresden bombing
His own response to the Daily Mail article (courtesy of Mal Drop, post #15)
Reflections On Dresden · Blog
His full speech is here (courtesy of Chugalug 2, post #83)
Archbishop's speech on 70th anniversary of Dresden bombing
His own response to the Daily Mail article (courtesy of Mal Drop, post #15)
Reflections On Dresden · Blog
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I suggest that this thread could now be closed. The texts of the speeches by the President of Germany and the Archbishop say all that needs be said
http://www.bundespraesident.de/Share...ublicationFile
Archbishop's speech on 70th anniversary of Dresden bombing
http://www.bundespraesident.de/Share...ublicationFile
Archbishop's speech on 70th anniversary of Dresden bombing
Stanwell,
Judging by your response to "nimbev's" not unreasonable suggestion, I wonder if you are able to understand most of what anybody else is writing.
I would be all for a wider debate about the morals of war but I don't think that it should appear under the erroneous heading about the Archbishop's so called apology.
Judging by your response to "nimbev's" not unreasonable suggestion, I wonder if you are able to understand most of what anybody else is writing.
I would be all for a wider debate about the morals of war but I don't think that it should appear under the erroneous heading about the Archbishop's so called apology.
Looks like the PM is on the side of the Bomber Crews. Good to see.
David Cameron defends Second World War RAF 'heroes' of Dresden raid - Telegraph
David Cameron defends Second World War RAF 'heroes' of Dresden raid - Telegraph
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Hardly surprising given the PM's pedigree - Milliband would be the same.
I don't think it was Stalin that Churchill was trying to impress with this "spectacular" given that the first bombs fell on Shrove Tuesday, the 604th anniversary of the burning at the stake of a certain minority group in Dresden.
I don't think it was Stalin that Churchill was trying to impress with this "spectacular" given that the first bombs fell on Shrove Tuesday, the 604th anniversary of the burning at the stake of a certain minority group in Dresden.
