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New Royal Navy combat number 4 uniform.

Old 17th Jan 2015, 19:17
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New Royal Navy combat number 4 uniform.

A few pictures and a bit of a story about it in the Daily Mail here.Mouldy new Royal Navy uniforms arrive 'unwearable' | Daily Mail Online


The caps were mouldy upon delivery, cue outrage in the Mail.
We had this kind of stuff, or similar in about 2003 but it was pulled almost immediately because some one said it didn't look that smart. As I recall.


To me, it looks a bit too Hong Kong. Why do we always now try to style or resemble the Americans>? Naval uniform seems to always baffle the Board of the Admiralty.
In the picture in the Mail, the wren subby looks really sad and miserable, and the Lieutenant has a bit of gut he'd be wise to get rid of. Maybe its the new uniform?
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 19:31
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I think the new uniform shows a smart procurement purchase and will safeguard navy personnel in the long term.







As long as a lot of service personnel are still becoming homeless tramps after service.....they will fit right in with those scabby uniforms
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 21:00
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I can only assume that the RN, well known for their smart uniform, have an equivalent of the RAF's Assistant Director of Clothing Requirements and Procurement ... ADCRAP(RAF), which sums up the output of his Assistant Directorate in my time, with the ever-creased polyester lightweight trousers and the endless vomiting of a new design of Wooly-Pully.

Dear God, don't HM Forces has some bigger issues to f-about with? Like aircraft, and carriers, and a balanced force structure? Thank God I'm long gone.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 21:41
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What was wrong with the old RN 'combat' uniform



Yes ... Hat, Coat etc ...
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:16
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They look like a shower od scran bags! What would a Gunnery Instructor make of it all I wonder, perhaps expire due to a fit of apoplexy. I did see the last effort in modernisation, the man's rate badges were resting somewhere around the middle of his shoulder blades and the material the shirt was made from would have been better employed swabbing the decks!
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:28
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No, this is the new uniform for the boys/girls in dark blue...



...apparently it comes with a free Iranian iPod.

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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:30
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If the Senior Service is moving to 'baseball caps' I wonder how long it is before the Army and then the RAF follow?
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 22:51
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What's the problem? The RN have used baseball caps at sea, informally, for years. They're practical. This uniform is probably also practical and will be a step ahead of what it replaces, I would guess. It's nothing at all like the USN rig, which is a bit silly in its over-coloured blueness, even if there are good reasons for that.

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Old 17th Jan 2015, 23:05
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Subtle chuckle - but with the Ship's crest as a badge on the right sleeve looking a bit like a squadron or type patch, they kind of look like a two piece flight suit - albeit in a deep blue as opposed to the fetching shades of green or sand.

At least it is not camouflaged like some other militaries have chosen.
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Old 17th Jan 2015, 23:28
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The shirts shown look like a blue version of the current combats. Same pockets, same rank, no need for the camouflage so they have remained dark blue as they always have. Seems sensible for life afloat.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 00:55
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I thought the uniforms were cotton to stop them welding to the skin in a flash fire, I wonder if the nylon Velcro will weld itself shut or simply drop off
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 01:08
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Velcro instead of buttons is a bad idea.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 08:35
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I wonder if The Daily Mail could actually produce one of the traditionalists to explain their horror? I wonder what their views on radar and guided weaponry are?

Also, if the deal really is worth 250,000 then I think clothing (and capping) the RN at less than 10 a head seems like quite the deal to me.
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Amazing what you can get from TK Max!
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 11:33
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Someone on another forum had posted that uniformed armed people the world over are increasingly beginning to look the same = this uniform could be tweaked to look like until recently the USN uniform (submariners?), Chinese navy, latest British police dressed for "anti terror", US SWAT team and so on. And that may be on to a valid point.


I think this stuff is just about probably an improvement on the uniform from the past in a practical sense..
In my time I would have liked to have seen:
A slip on, heavy duty boot with thick sole and steel cap. Possibly like a rigger boot.
A proper Winter coat with a big hood, made to keep you warm instead of the crap thin plastic anoraks we had.
A thicker warmer pullover.
A strong practical smock.
A fleece. Some long sleeved tops, casual (bit like a noggy top of old).
Proper blue strong combat trousers with bigger deeper securable thigh pockets for keeping anything from the duty SPO keys to an SA80 magazine to a small radio.
Think they should have brought out a suitable soft cap rather than a baseball cap.
All this based on my own hard luck experience.
Hope these items are now in for the current lads and lasses, but I doubt it. It seems too hard to grasp.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 13:55
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I'll agree with all of that HS, although arguably protective footwear is outwith a discussion on uniform. Going back to my own service in the 80's, foul weather clothing was very poor indeed; who attempts to keep dry with a poncho for heavens sake??..and I'm given to understand there's still much room for improvement.
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Someone on another forum had posted that uniformed armed people the world over are increasingly beginning to look the same = this uniform could be tweaked to look like until recently the USN uniform (submariners?), Chinese navy, latest British police dressed for "anti terror", US SWAT team and so on. And that may be on to a valid point.
Naval uniforms - globally - look pretty much the same. Double-breasted tunics, gold braid on the sleeves, and white hats for officers; Jean-Paul Gaultier creation for the Ratings (see post above). I'm reminded of the story of an RN officer captured at Dunkirk in full rig who managed to escape during transport and travelled right across Germany to Luebeck, where he stole a fishing boat and got across to Sweden. He stayed in his uniform all the time and no one noticed that he wasn't Kriegsmarine. Speaking German probably helped!
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 15:44
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I meant to say the pockets on the trousers and overalls should be just big enough to keep a copy of the fantastically handily sized incredibly liberal European SCUD magazine "Color Climax" within, if it ever returns. Was much treasured magazine booty back in the eighties and missed by me and others in this internet age.
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 15:57
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If only the MOD would see sense and consult some of the "wise ones" of this web site BEFORE changing anything. Will they never learn?
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Old 18th Jan 2015, 17:30
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Yep, have seen news and documentaries with say a Type 22 or 23 frigate skipper and officers and sailors wear baseball caps......with the ships name on it and as MG says unofficially for years

@21:59, whats 'Wings' or Flyco got on his head in 1960 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsE9...A37D3E89608F68

and @07:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFzRtOuj5GQ

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