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Bannock,
With the Nasty party in total control I think you can look forward to eye watering defence cuts for the next five years.
With the Nasty party in total control I think you can look forward to eye watering defence cuts for the next five years.
I don't think "the Nasty Party" will have anything to do with impending cuts. As High Spirits notes, defence would be in the firing line whichever party won last night. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't lean on the MoD / PM to temper any further cuts.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes.
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Glad rag - my (limited) interaction with the Tonka fleet (Lossie division) would not support your main argument. Yes, they may be owned by MoD and first line maintained by the finest RAF techies fuelled on enthusiasm and pies (
) BUT the big jobs (depth) are all done by contractors so incur direct costs at contract renewal time (pay for x years even if you only keep the frame going for X-2?). To adapt the mighty warbird means major interaction with design authority (added cost) and even that doesn't always deliver the goods (TCAS fit anyone?).
In the complex, 'shave that cost off to contractors - someone else's budget' world of modern govt accounting - nothing matters except hitting your targets and the govt prioritises FINANCIAL targets over real targets.
Still, maybe we are all wrong and SDSR won't be another cost-cutting exercise like the last one was (as even the govt now admits)....
) BUT the big jobs (depth) are all done by contractors so incur direct costs at contract renewal time (pay for x years even if you only keep the frame going for X-2?). To adapt the mighty warbird means major interaction with design authority (added cost) and even that doesn't always deliver the goods (TCAS fit anyone?).In the complex, 'shave that cost off to contractors - someone else's budget' world of modern govt accounting - nothing matters except hitting your targets and the govt prioritises FINANCIAL targets over real targets.
Still, maybe we are all wrong and SDSR won't be another cost-cutting exercise like the last one was (as even the govt now admits)....
"and first line maintained by the finest RAF techies fuelled on enthusiasm and pies"
Hmm, from what I've seen recently
I don't think so. And yes, Sadly it's all about £
Now, how they disguise that £, well....
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I don't think "the Nasty Party" will have anything to do with impending cuts. As High Spirits notes, defence would be in the firing line whichever party won last night. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the US didn't lean on the MoD / PM to temper any further cuts.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes.
And personally, I don't think not spending money you don't have qualifies you as "nasty", just sensible, but I suppose that's the northern working class common sense in me talking. Any one who thinks otherwise needs to wake up to the chaos spending what you don't have causes.
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BBC reporting that any Bombshells our new Gov want to drop may come PDQ to capitalise on the Opposition parties lack of leadership and complete confusion.
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday.
Brace Brace Brace.
Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday.
Brace Brace Brace.
Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities
As a pilot from the Danish Air Force told me when asked about cuts in Denmark: 'You can't pluck hair from the head of a bald man'.
Sounds like a great idea for the Danes to buy the world's most expensive fighter, then.
Sounds like a great idea for the Danes to buy the world's most expensive fighter, then.
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BBC reporting that any Bombshells our new Gov want to drop may come PDQ to capitalise on the Opposition parties lack of leadership and complete confusion.
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday.
Brace Brace Brace.
Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities
Foreign Sec, Chancellor and Def sec back at desks on Monday.
Brace Brace Brace.
Spending And Review Top Tory Defense Priorities
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I have a deep and desperate need to understand WHY the Army actually needs "new" apaches anyway.
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I think the best we can hope for is an SDSR that is a progress check towards FF2020. Any radical changes would risk undoing all the work already done and nullify previous assumptions.
And I would hope even the most doctrinal of staff officers would argue that would be a huge waste of effort.
And I would hope even the most doctrinal of staff officers would argue that would be a huge waste of effort.
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Glad rag, would you care to quantify your sweeping generalisation about Finest RAF techies?
And you could very well argue that Putins display of hardware yesterday at VE day celebrations would be a decent reason for keeping a modern, updated battlefield helicopter. No?
And you could very well argue that Putins display of hardware yesterday at VE day celebrations would be a decent reason for keeping a modern, updated battlefield helicopter. No?
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Jaylad,
I don't know where abouts in the real world you are, but the Victory Parade in Red Square started at 07:00z today (9 May). Perhaps you saw pics of one of the many practices (they have enough rehearsals to make GSM London District green with envy). You could see it live on any TV in the UK on Russia Today. I wonder how much that costs good old Vladimir? (TV station I mean, I'm sure the parade was peanuts)
I don't know where abouts in the real world you are, but the Victory Parade in Red Square started at 07:00z today (9 May). Perhaps you saw pics of one of the many practices (they have enough rehearsals to make GSM London District green with envy). You could see it live on any TV in the UK on Russia Today. I wonder how much that costs good old Vladimir? (TV station I mean, I'm sure the parade was peanuts)
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Melchett,
That would be nice to have a mere tweak of the tiller. I don't think the treasury will permit such activity however. Even without No11 interference difficult decisions needed with flat cash, even with 1% for procurement.
SDSR announcement early in the week is my guess. To report in six months for immediate implementation.
That would be nice to have a mere tweak of the tiller. I don't think the treasury will permit such activity however. Even without No11 interference difficult decisions needed with flat cash, even with 1% for procurement.
SDSR announcement early in the week is my guess. To report in six months for immediate implementation.
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Interesting development?...
Tory backbenchers threaten to block David Cameron's defence cuts ahead of meeting - Telegraph
Tory backbenchers threaten to block David Cameron's defence cuts ahead of meeting - Telegraph
Jayand - perhaps Glad Rag was referring to my 'pies' comment? I admit, since the days of the NAAFI wagon are long gone and popping to the new 'joint' scoff hall means risking running into all sorts of bosses - maybe the pie intake is reduced?
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Anna Soubry and Rory Stewart, some of the most vocal and well informed MPs on the Defence Select commitee I see have been moved on.
I am not suggesting anything!
But someone else is
http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/0...ect-committee/
I am not suggesting anything!
But someone else is
http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/0...ect-committee/
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Not unexpected...
Make the most of your 1% pay rise chaps & chapesses, can't see many further rises for a while.
The chancellor disclosed that Greg Hands, the new chief secretary, has written to every government department except health, education and international development ordering them to find cuts.
It comes as the government faces a potential back-bench rebellion unless it commits to spending 2 per cent of Britain's national income on defence.
It comes as the government faces a potential back-bench rebellion unless it commits to spending 2 per cent of Britain's national income on defence.