Czech Minister drags WW2 pilots into benefits debate
Bosnich71,
What an apt point, but as Nutloose relates, indigenous British people seem to be the national target of choice for the three ruling parties from the past several decades. All have contrived to sign away our rights and conventions in their need to ingratiate themselves with the Bureaucracy in Brussels. However, this thread relates to how EU member states are now looking to Britain to supply welfare for their own citizens, when they are not prepared to do so themselves. Very recently, the Polish Economic Minister made statements to the fact that the Polish economy relied on welfare payments to Polish families, claimed by a parent in Britain. I wonder how many EU economies are mow being propped up by the British taxpayer ? And all done without ever allowing the British people a choice on staying in the EU. I'm a simple bloke I suppose, and wonder at the patience of the British people seeing their elderly or disabled relatives subject to austerity cuts as Overseas aid and EU subscription and "extra charges" are paid without question (although usually accompanied by some faux "hair shirt" defiance). I'm at a loss to see where it all ends, unless we leave the EU, and regain control of our own purse strings.
Smudge
What an apt point, but as Nutloose relates, indigenous British people seem to be the national target of choice for the three ruling parties from the past several decades. All have contrived to sign away our rights and conventions in their need to ingratiate themselves with the Bureaucracy in Brussels. However, this thread relates to how EU member states are now looking to Britain to supply welfare for their own citizens, when they are not prepared to do so themselves. Very recently, the Polish Economic Minister made statements to the fact that the Polish economy relied on welfare payments to Polish families, claimed by a parent in Britain. I wonder how many EU economies are mow being propped up by the British taxpayer ? And all done without ever allowing the British people a choice on staying in the EU. I'm a simple bloke I suppose, and wonder at the patience of the British people seeing their elderly or disabled relatives subject to austerity cuts as Overseas aid and EU subscription and "extra charges" are paid without question (although usually accompanied by some faux "hair shirt" defiance). I'm at a loss to see where it all ends, unless we leave the EU, and regain control of our own purse strings.
Smudge
@Bosnich well, it's one of those threads that's about "scrounging immigrants" so it starts off with an accusation anyhow. I think you might as well have a viewpoint from the other direction. My impression is that this happens everywhere when 2 or more tribes mix - each accuse the other of some unfair advantage and it's not always untrue.
We're not really arguing with facts such as what is the actual economic contribution etc etc but impressions because in a way impressions are what count to us personally. So that was my impression. It might not be representative - it's subjective - but at least it adds to the alternatives.
I don't really understand why there isn't a Europe-wide benefits system since there's a Europe-wide job market.If it was based on prior contributions for those who had done work and home-country contributions for those who hadn't then it would be fairish. Poland could pay Polish unemployment to poles in the UK at Polish rates until they "kickstarted" their UK contribution.
I think it's particularly awesome to be able to work abroad and I think people in the UK are looking at the issue in single direction which is a mistake - they should be taking advantage of the ability to work in Europe themselves and should work out a system of social welfare that protects them both ways. I had a small chance to do this and I loved it and learned things. I desperately want my daughter to have this opportunity open to her too.
We're not really arguing with facts such as what is the actual economic contribution etc etc but impressions because in a way impressions are what count to us personally. So that was my impression. It might not be representative - it's subjective - but at least it adds to the alternatives.
I don't really understand why there isn't a Europe-wide benefits system since there's a Europe-wide job market.If it was based on prior contributions for those who had done work and home-country contributions for those who hadn't then it would be fairish. Poland could pay Polish unemployment to poles in the UK at Polish rates until they "kickstarted" their UK contribution.
I think it's particularly awesome to be able to work abroad and I think people in the UK are looking at the issue in single direction which is a mistake - they should be taking advantage of the ability to work in Europe themselves and should work out a system of social welfare that protects them both ways. I had a small chance to do this and I loved it and learned things. I desperately want my daughter to have this opportunity open to her too.
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On the contrary, t43 the thread was prompted by a D-list Czech politician trying to score points off the back of his courageous countrymen. Even if the proposals which so offend him are introduced, overseas benefits claimants will still receive far more generous treatment here than would a UK citizen in most of the countries now slinging brickbats.
I agree 100% with you on free movement of labour within EU... but what's that got to do with this debate when the point at issue is benefits eligibility?
I agree 100% with you on free movement of labour within EU... but what's that got to do with this debate when the point at issue is benefits eligibility?
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